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Reply #30 - 08/14/15 at 12:03:03
 
Yeah, see, we're still going round and round about the meaning of words -- first "weapon", now "baby".

The point of my earlier post is that language has to define things for the people speaking and listening or it's just noise and confusion -- a Tower of Babel. That's why punctuation and grammar exist and that's why dictionaries exist: so we can have a common understanding about what human mouth noises and little written shapes on paper mean, and thus communicate.

All our differences in political ideas are being polluted and made intractable by this disagreement about what words mean. This is the doing of propagandists, who might as well also be called "confusers". The result is, people are not communicating. This situation benefits propagandists, but everyone else is getting screwed over and our politics is getting screwed over.

We all need to be aware that this situation is harmful and try to get the meaning of words straight. Then we can solve problems and not just misunderstand one another. The sequence of events has to be: (1) agree what words mean, and (2) then use them to communicate.

Mn wants to decide on his own that a firearm is only a weapon after it has been used as a weapon, and that any other use of the word shows anti-gun bias. But that is not the meaning of "weapon".  "Weapon" isn't a narrower idea than he wants it to be; it is a much [i]broader[i] idea.

That's the definition of the word in the English language. Nothing to rail against or even disagree about.

The same goes for "baby" here, obviously.

Merriam-Webster defines the word so we can agree for the purpose of communication:

1a (1) :  an extremely young child; especially :  infant  
    (2) :  an extremely young animal
 b :  the youngest of a group

2a :  one that is like a baby (as in behavior)
 b :  something that is one's special responsibility,        achievement, or interest

That is why we use terms like zygote, embryo, or fetus to describe a different thing than a baby.

Blow off the meaning of words and suddenly you are not eating a bowl of cereal... you are a cowardly criminal mass murderer of future wheat plants. Propaganda in da house, folks...

We need look no further than this discussion board to see the importance of rigor in the use of language. All of the tips and tricks and descriptions of fixes and mods are examples of technical writing, the goal of which is to say something very specific and not subject to confusion or misunderstanding. The definition of words has to be tightly adhered to, otherwise the communication isn't useful and can even be harmful.

Technical writing is a challenge. It takes education and effort. Some folks have a knack for it and some don't. But not caring and being sloppy and willful in the use of language has consequences... all bad.

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Reply #31 - 08/14/15 at 12:20:22
 
Sloppy in the use of language? You ought to hear some of the things that pass as normal around here (my neck of the woods)!  Cheesy
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Reply #32 - 08/14/15 at 12:22:36
 
HovisPresley wrote on 08/14/15 at 11:54:00:
3.6 billion womens' rights are superceded by one man's view on a subject that he can never experience himself.

Not really being humble, is it?  Grin  


not true, many women agree with me. also, if 50% of the babies got a vote if they would rather live or be the outcome of a choice, 100% would agree with me top.
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Reply #33 - 08/14/15 at 12:39:54
 
Excellent post, Sonny... Wink...

Web,.. if they were old enough to vote, this wouldn't be an issue... Grin...
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Reply #34 - 08/14/15 at 12:44:55
 
Kris01 wrote on 08/14/15 at 12:20:22:
Sloppy in the use of language? You ought to hear some of the things that pass as normal around here (my neck of the woods)!  Cheesy


Yeah, well, Texas has got it goin' on too. Tennessee and Texas are kinda like Meccas for this kind of nonsense and language abuse. But so is most of America...

I'd wave a magic wand, but I can't get anybody to agree on the meaning of "wave" and "wand..."   Undecided
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Reply #35 - 08/14/15 at 12:50:55
 
Another word to consider the meaning of,.. is socialism...
Bernie Sanders is talking about this lot.

Socialism is "basically just sharing"- Russell Brand...

..or not quite,... but it is a system that recognizes the value of all citizens and not just the rich ones...
Letting the wealthy control everything just ain't workin' out... Huh...
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Reply #36 - 08/14/15 at 13:05:40
 
Great, now my posts are spam, again.
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Reply #37 - 08/14/15 at 13:35:41
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/13/15 at 17:48:21:
Serowbot wrote on 08/13/15 at 10:57:24:
"... a gun, knife, bow, or club is a weapon...even a pen... "


OK, next time I am in a 'public' place,
and I need a pen.
I'll just ask for a, 'weapon', instead.



Not all weapons are pens, but pretending a pen can't be used as a weapon has never held a Bic pen in a closed fist with the point poking out between the fingers with the other end in the palm. A punch delivered would insert the pen. A paper weight, a vase, a chain,  so many things CAN be used as a weapon,, very few guns make a good pen, though can be used to express an idea,  
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Reply #38 - 08/14/15 at 13:54:41
 
"You can pry my Harbor Freight 1/2" drive 24" chrome vanadium breaker bar out of my cold, dead hands!"...,  said with a Charlton Heston Moses accent...  Grin

I've never used it as a weapon and don't intend to, but my oh my, it is still a heckuva weapon!
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Reply #39 - 08/14/15 at 14:24:59
 
I think this is what Mnspring was trying to argue, albeit erroneously. Things made to do some other job aren't really weapons unless they happen to be used as weapons.

Not so for firearms. They are purpose-built weapons, just like billy clubs, nunchucks, brass knuckles, what have you. It is correct to call them weapons.
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Reply #40 - 08/14/15 at 16:46:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/14/15 at 13:05:40:
Great, now my posts are spam, again.

Me and you both.....
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Reply #41 - 08/14/15 at 16:49:58
 
Quick reply, hoping it's not spam;

WMark 1   Women 3.5 billion.

That's not a bad score!
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Reply #42 - 08/14/15 at 17:12:28
 
Did women win? I'm thinking babies lost, society lost.
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Reply #43 - 08/14/15 at 17:25:21
 
353,000 born per day, the babies haven't lost, perhaps
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Reply #44 - 08/14/15 at 17:32:24
 
HovisPresley wrote on 08/14/15 at 16:49:58:
Quick reply, hoping it's not spam;

WMark 1   Women 3.5 billion.

That's not a bad score!
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Someone did.
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