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Reply #15 - 08/13/15 at 17:48:21
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/13/15 at 10:57:24:
"... a gun, knife, bow, or club is a weapon...even a pen... "


OK, next time I am in a 'public' place,
and I need a pen.
I'll just ask for a, 'weapon', instead.
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Reply #16 - 08/13/15 at 18:43:42
 
"The pen is mightier than the sword"...

It means words can be used as weapons...  

...besides,... 007 could kill you with one... Grin...
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Reply #17 - 08/13/15 at 18:46:58
 
Here, this should help differentiate.   Huh

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Reply #18 - 08/14/15 at 01:05:06
 
I can usually make out what someone is saying despite spelling, punctuation and grammar errors. But not always.

The purpose of those things is clarity of communication, and the original post on this thread was not clear.

Webster's online dictionary says "weapon" means:

: something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you

: something (such as a skill, idea, or tool) that is used to win a contest or achieve something

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Anything handy can potentially be used as a weapon. But a screwdriver is for turning screws and a pencil is for writing. Its intended purpose is not for use as a weapon.

A firearm's intended purpose is for use as a weapon. It can be used to punch holes in paper or tin cans, and can even be used to hammer a nail, but its purpose is for use as a weapon. That is why firearms are called weapons.

Liberals and conservatives both recognize the value of weapons and use them... whether in war, law enforcement, hunting, commission of crimes, or in self defense.

Hopefully this cleared up some confusion.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - 08/14/15 at 02:57:32
 
"Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun
And some with a fountain pen."

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Reply #20 - 08/14/15 at 06:52:32
 
Sew and Hovis have answered your question, inadvertently no doubt.

A baby is a baby immediately. A fertilized egg has one purpose,  to grow and survive until death. Anyone reading this was a fertilized egg at one point and you've survived long enough to read this. Fetus is a scientific term but so is adolescent, adult etc...  Calling something different terms to appease cowards is not a solution.

The point to all this is a gun is a weapon as soon as it's made. It's purpose is to fire a bullet. I've used guns as hammers, paperweights and decoration but they are made for one thing and regardless if it's hammering in a tent stake or keeping my paper plate from flying off (can you tell I just got back from camping?!) it's always a weapon and will always be a weapon.

Don't shy away from what it is: it's a gun meant to fire a bullet, primarily at something living. The reason why that's important is to always argue with facts. A gun is a weapon and the 2nd amendment is not to protect the right of sportsmen to plink beer cans in the woods with a .22. It is to provide citizens the capability to rebel against an obtrusive government bent on enslaving it's citizens. You have a right to own your weapon.
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Reply #21 - 08/14/15 at 07:30:53
 
Concerning guns as weapons, I actually agree with WMark.  Shocked

Yes folks, you read that correctly.  Grin

I have to ask why WMark uses the word 'inadvertently', though.
It's anything but inadvertent....time to dig out Webster's dictionary....

The stuff about babies is nonsense, however, as biology says otherwise, and biology cannot be Pro-life or Pro-choice Wink
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Reply #22 - 08/14/15 at 08:05:01
 
If you have some sugar, flour, yeast, eggs, and frosting,... you don't have a cake...
You gotta' bake it...
Then,.. it's a cake...


And now,... I'm hungry...  Huh...
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Reply #23 - 08/14/15 at 08:39:48
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/14/15 at 08:05:01:
If you have some sugar, flour, yeast, eggs, and frosting,... you don't have a cake...
You gotta' bake it...
Then,.. it's a cake...  


Very interesting analogy.
One, loads a gun. One holsters a gun. One carries a gun.
(Hey, it just, 'parts', of a cake)

When it is, fired, in, offense/defense, then, it is 'baked'
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Reply #24 - 08/14/15 at 08:41:05
 
    I’ll try this one more time.

While it is perfectly OK, to say Hi, to your friend Jack.
You don’t do it, mid flight, in a airplane.

While describing, a friend of yours,
who is Always Happy, Always a Smile on his face, Always has a up-lifting attitude.
You do not say, ‘He is Gay’.

When in a crowded place,
you do NOT, say the word, ‘Fire’.

So when, in a place, were it’s most likely,
A Anti-gunner, or someone who has not made up their mind yet,
can overhear you.
You do NOT, call a firearm a, ‘Weapon'.

Let’s say, you were a, ‘Pro-Choice’ person.
And referred to a, ‘embryo’, ‘fetus’, ‘group of cells’, as a, “Baby”.
You would be, Very Quickly, ’schooled’, to, NOT, say; “Baby”.

This, (‘rant’ you may say). Is NOT about, when a gun was invented,
nor why it was invented, or how Criminals use one.
It is NOT, about, ‘when’, human cells, become a, ‘ Human Baby’.

It is about the, ‘perception’, the average person VOTING, has.

Gun =  Defense
Weapon = Offense.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #25 - 08/14/15 at 08:47:31
 
you're right, biology does not take sides. But biology says a fertilized egg is a life form by any biological definition. People, who wish to end that life for their own convenience, do take sides and call it other names that while they are descriptive, do not change the fact that it is a lifeform.

I wish you pro-death cowards would just have the ball$ to call it what it is and argue your position honestly and not hide behind words to make your position more acceptable.

Just say it; you think it's moraly acceptable to end the life of an unborn baby if the mother so chooses to do so. Just say it.
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Reply #26 - 08/14/15 at 09:19:55
 
You just want different words...

It is morally acceptable to me, that a mother can decide to end the life of her unborn baby...

Now,... is it your moral right to supersede her moral choice?...
The law, and the Constitution say no...
History says no...
...and the Bible is totally vague on the issue... ... but that's a non-issue... because America doesn't require that you be Christian, or even believe in any god...

The old saying,.. "Your rights end, at the tip of my nose"... would limit your right to control a woman's uterus against her will...
...(that's way past her nose)... Huh...
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Reply #27 - 08/14/15 at 09:24:01
 
As an individual, I'm removed from this because I'm not a breeder and I DGAF either way... but are you (no one in particular, but let's say pro-lifer's as a whole) SO very egregiously offended that someone else decides to terminate their baby that it some how comes back and affects you (the pro-lifer)?


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Reply #28 - 08/14/15 at 10:19:30
 
You just want different words...

It is morally acceptable to me, that a mother can decide to end the life of her unborn baby...

Now,... is it your moral right to supersede her moral choice?...


Thank you! Finally someone with balls!

To answer your question; yes, it is my moral right to supersede her choce to kill that baby.

Now that we've got that out of the way, the 2nd amendment might be poorly worded, but the meaning behind it was not ambiguous to the framers. In other writings, they were clear what they meant by the purpose. So carry your weapon MnSpring.
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Reply #29 - 08/14/15 at 11:54:00
 
3.6 billion womens' rights are superceded by one man's view on a subject that he can never experience himself.

Not really being humble, is it?  Grin
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