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koehlerrk Junior Member Offline One cylinder to rule them all... Posts: 98 East of Keuka Lake NY Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #30 - 07/30/15 at 10:54:11 Seems like an okay welder... but for a little more dough, you can get an inverter TIG and be able to weld pretty much anything. http://www.amazon.com/EVERLAST-PowerARC-140amp-Welder-Voltage/dp/B0081BF4JC/r...
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chzeckmate Serious Thumper Offline Be the person your dog thinks you are Posts: 514 Houston, Texas Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #31 - 08/01/15 at 19:05:20 Nicely done on the bracket. You're a real jigsaw ninja. Could we see a side view photo please?
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Reply #32 - 08/02/15 at 00:08:37

chzeckmate wrote on 08/01/15 at 19:05:20:
Nicely done on the bracket. You're a real jigsaw ninja. Could we see a side view photo please?

Could be because it's 3 AM and I have had a migraine for going on 30 hours now, but what exactly do you mean by a "side view" chzeck? Like, you want to know which side is eventually up or down? Hole position in the ends? Side view with lights mounted, or mounted on the bike?

Sorry dude...headaches and too many Norco Shocked

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Reply #33 - 08/02/15 at 00:14:04

koehlerrk, for someone in my financial position...that isnt "a little more dough". It's more than twice my "budget" for a hobby welder.

If I end up selling the little Nighthawk this fall I may look into it again, but for the 8+ projects around the house and on the bike...the little wire welder seems like it will be ideal. I appreciate the heads up though!

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Reply #34 - 08/02/15 at 09:15:03

Boogie_with_Stu wrote on 08/02/15 at 00:08:37:

chzeckmate wrote on 08/01/15 at 19:05:20:
Nicely done on the bracket. You're a real jigsaw ninja. Could we see a side view photo please?

...what exactly do you mean by a "side view" chzeck?...

I just meant a level view of the mounted signals from the port or starboard side of the bike. I'm curious about the clearance and aesthetics from that angle.

...by the way, if you do decide to sell the nighthawk please tap me first for it. My daughter gets her class M in November and it would be the perfect thing for her.

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Boogie_with_Stu Senior Member Offline Look Ma, no hands! Posts: 280 Raleigh, NC Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #35 - 08/02/15 at 09:17:09 Copy that Chzeck...will take a pic or 2 today.
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Boogie_with_Stu Senior Member Offline Look Ma, no hands! Posts: 280 Raleigh, NC Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #36 - 08/03/15 at 16:32:54 No real loss of clearance so far as I can see. If I has to guess, I'd say that the bracket is about 1/2" closer to the tire than the license plate holder is. That is still well over 4 inches away from the tire.
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Boogie_with_Stu Senior Member Offline Look Ma, no hands! Posts: 280 Raleigh, NC Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #37 - 08/03/15 at 16:33:17 ...and at eye level..
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chzeckmate Serious Thumper Offline Be the person your dog thinks you are Posts: 514 Houston, Texas Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #38 - 08/03/15 at 20:13:15 Yeah, that looks like it'll do nicely. Well done!
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #39 - 08/03/15 at 21:49:12 I hope you want honesty. On the fab work, good going. Results better than the tools you had available. But the wires. Major points deduction.
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Reply #40 - 08/04/15 at 00:39:25

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/03/15 at 21:49:12:
I hope you want honesty.
On the fab work, good going. Results better than the tools you had available.
But the wires. Major points deduction.

ROFLMAO Grin

Thanks for that Justin....I needed that laugh in a big way. It's been a miserable few days.

The photo was taken while the wires were just "wire-nutted" together for test purposes. These are actually FRONT signal stems so I needed to get the correct wire hooked up.

The final wiring is sheathed in wire mesh sleeving and tie wrapped up with the wire for the brake/tail light on the roof of the fender. No wiring visible Wink

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Reply #41 - 08/04/15 at 03:51:12

If you are going to use the running lights in those front turn signals (now that they are mounted in the back) - it is not legal. Rear running lights are required to be red. Look at any factory built motorcycle, car, truck, trailer or semi trailer and the front running lights are yellow and the rear running lights are red.

You may be able to get away with it....however if Law Enforcement wants to give you a ticket for it, they have the laws to back it up.

QUOTE FROM WIKOPEDIA

"The colour of light emitted by vehicle lights is largely standardised by longstanding convention. It was first codified in the 1949 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic and later specified in the 1968 United Nations Convention on Road Traffic. Generally, but with some regional exceptions, lamps facing rearward must emit red light, lamps facing sideward and all turn signals must emit amber light, while lamps facing frontward must emit white or selective yellow light. No other colours are permitted except on emergency vehicles.

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/department-transportation-trailer-light-regula...

Wow.....I am illegal in a lot of states. A lot of them require a red rear reflector.
http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/laws/motorcycle-equipment/

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Reply #42 - 08/08/15 at 20:31:52

Thanks for the heads up Dave, but no...I am not wiring them up as 3 wire blinkers. I am aware that running lights here in NC must be red.

I have a set of old fashioned looking red LED running lights that will be bolted to the fender. Bright enough to see easily in daylight, yet only add 3 watt each to the system load.

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Reply #43 - 08/09/15 at 16:26:19

Adding additional lighting to a car/truck/boat is a breeze. Adding lighting to a motorcycle, especially one with an electrical system like the Savage, not so much. Either you add to the wattage total and use some of the power needed to recharge the battery, or you have to take wattage out of the "system" and then put in a reasonably close amount of power consumption with alternate light. I am going the latter route.

Our tail/brake/license light assembly uses 2 bulbs. One is a dual filament 1157 used for the running light and brake light, and the other is an independent 631 BA-15 style 8 watt bulb for the license plate. This is the bulb I will be removing from the system.

In place of the 8 watt license plate bulb, I will be using :

(2) ultra bright white LED license plate bolt lights @ .5 watts each.

(2) 2 1/5" red LED round "side marker" type lights, one installed in each of my saddlebags facing rearward. These will act as running lights and use 1 watt each.

(2) chrome 2" "retro" red LED lights mounted to the rear fender behind the saddlebags. These are really bright, even in bright sunshine. They pull 3 watts each.

Total drain on the system, about 9 watts. Instead of one license plate lamp, I will now have : 2 license plate lights (bolt style), 2 chrome running lights, and 2 round running lights for the saddlebags. The saddlebag lights are permanently mounted with a 2 wire automotive connector on each, so that if I zip off the bags...I just un-plug them from the system. That leaves 7 watts on the electrical line for the license bulb when the bags are taken off.

Since the license plate light is pretty much useless during the day, I lose nothing during daylight driving. What I gain, is at least 2 running lights that are daylight visible.
At night, I gain 4 red running lights, a much better lit license plate, and lose nothing.

I dont know if the license plate lamp is part of the "fast blink" system that lets the operator know if a running light/turn signal lamp is blown, but even if it is....since I am so close to the original 8 watt draw of the lamp, there shouldnt be any change to the blink rate.

I'm an electronics guy....not a mechanical or automotive expert. Can anyone see a flaw in my plans? Something that I am mis-understanding?

Again, my quest was to improve nighttime visibility without losing any of the original lighting. I think I have accomplished that...but I'm open to suggestions or corrections.

3 watt (cree)red running lights, overall dimension on the lens end is 2.25" , the lens diameter is approx 1.750".

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Boogie_with_Stu Senior Member Offline Look Ma, no hands! Posts: 280 Raleigh, NC Gender:	Re: My 2003 Savage saga, for any who are intereste Reply #44 - 08/09/15 at 17:02:56 LED license plate bolt lights...
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