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06/22/15 at 11:51:06
 
After about a year in the garage i can't get the bike started.  04' with about 1500 miles on it with a raptor petcock.  I stored with the carb bowl empty and siphoned out the gas in the tank.  The battery was pretty weak from not being on a trickle charger over the winter so i replaced that.  It cranks but thats about it.  Before i tear the carb out any suggestions to try?  I did open the drain plug on the carb and the gas that came out looked fine nothing gunky.  Any advice would be helpful.
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Reply #1 - 06/22/15 at 12:03:26
 
some residual gas probably clogged your jets.
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Reply #2 - 06/22/15 at 12:03:54
 
Is the switch on the right handle bar control set to "Run"?
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Reply #3 - 06/22/15 at 12:05:23
 
Pull the cap off the carb where you plugged the vacuum port, and then find a way to squirt a bit small amount of gasoline into the port (teaspoonful).  Then replace the cap and see if the bike fires up for a second or two on that small amount of fuel.

If it does....then you know it is a carb/fuel related issue that is keeping the bike from starting (not a compression or spark issue).
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Reply #4 - 06/22/15 at 12:20:49
 
i poured some gas down the plugged vacuum tube and it did run for a few seconds.  does that mean i need to pull the carb out and take it apart?
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Reply #5 - 06/22/15 at 12:23:43
 
That tells you that no fuel is getting to the engine through the carb.  So the fuel tank, petcock, fuel line or carb could be causing you a problem.

Generally the problem in storage is the pilot jet or main jet gets gummed up and will not flow any fuel.  Since you said that fuel will flow out the float bowl drain....I would say you need to drop the float bowl and clean the main and pilot jet as a minimum.  On something like that I would most likely take the entire carb off for a cleaning and thorough "look through".

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Reply #6 - 06/22/15 at 12:46:52
 
If you don't get the right tool, you'll wreck the bolts. A number two Phillips ain't it and if they have never been removed, you'll probably be ahead getting it on the bench.
Penetrating oil, 50/50 acetone and transmission fluid, do that first, give it time, do it again..
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Ha! JIS, remember ed it, I have used the bench grinder to flatten the tip of the Philips till it seated deep enough to fill the X.
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Reply #7 - 06/22/15 at 15:01:10
 
I pulled the carb out and took it apart.  A little dirty but nothing real bad.  I took both main and pilot jet out and i could see they weren't clogged.  I can see through the hole for the main jet into the top of carb.  Should i be able to see light from the top of carb through the slot for the pilot jet?
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Reply #8 - 06/22/15 at 16:03:49
 
float valve?
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Reply #9 - 06/22/15 at 18:03:36
 
That's good that the main isn't blocked. But, the bike doesn't start and idle on the main, so the idle and cold start circuits could still be gunked up. The best thing I've ever come across for cleaning carbs is Yamalube Carb Dip. I think it's meant for ultrasonic cleaners but works really well just for soaking the carb in. It's a bit $$$ but you can store it and reuse over again many times. You soak the carb (overnight works well) then rinse it in water and blow dry the passages with compressed air. A piece of soft wire (fuse wire is nice) is a good tool for poking around to loosen blockages.
FWIW when I lay up my bike I drain the bowl then run it til it's dry. I don't have any problems starting up even a year later. My 2c and YMMV etc.
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Reply #10 - 06/22/15 at 21:56:06
 
jspace wrote on 06/22/15 at 15:01:10:
 Should i be able to see light from the top of carb through the slot for the pilot jet?


Barely. I just grabbed an old pilot jet, and I was able to to see a pinhole of lite, but only after try different angles (and different eyes).

You should be able to poke a thin strand of copper wire through it.

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Reply #11 - 06/23/15 at 03:36:15
 
jspace wrote on 06/22/15 at 15:01:10:
 Should i be able to see light from the top of carb through the slot for the pilot jet?


No....the Pilot circuit snakes through the carb, goes through the idle mixture screw passage, and eventually comes out in the holes at the top of the carb throat on the engine side of the butterfly.

The hole in the Pilot Jet is very small......but you should be able to see some light through it.
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Reply #12 - 06/23/15 at 07:47:07
 
While its apart, get Berrymans spray, use the red tube, WEAR eye protection, keep it off your skin, ventilation or outside,  its some serious stuff, You can drop jets in a shot glass and squirt some in, let them soak, use red tube to blast through the idle circuit., etc,  but, some WILL blow back, I dont like it on me, it kinda burns,

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You sure popped it apart quick.. Most folks fight hard.

Clean dry slide, no oil, no fingerprints, protect rubber parts from cleaner.
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Reply #13 - 06/23/15 at 19:19:48
 
i cleaned every bit of it i could with berrymans carb cleaner.  i did not take the float off because i couldn't get that pin out thats holding it in place.  Put everything back together and still nothing! I think i'm going to try soaking it overnight in some carb dip.  Not quite sure what to try next if that doesn't work.  The float looked ok and the float valve moved easily.
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Reply #14 - 06/23/15 at 20:00:05
 
if you're going to dip it you had best get that float off and get the needle and seat out, or the dip will ruin them
no plastic and no rubber can go in the dip, only metal
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