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Reply #15 - 06/22/15 at 09:25:26
 
I can't count the times I've heard politicians blame the voters, calling us apathetic.

apathy
[ ˈapəTHē ]
NOUN
lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern:
"widespread apathy among students"
synonyms: indifference ˇ lack of interest ˇ lack of enthusiasm

I guess, technically, that's true. BUT,how many times could you get pumped up and excited about engaging in anything if ever stinking time you prepared ( study to make a decision, train for a physical contest ) , no matter how much you invested in it, the end result is always a disappointment.
At what point is it not reasonable to call it apathy and just call it resigned to being dragged into a socio-economic,political hole ?
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Reply #16 - 06/22/15 at 11:03:42
 
There's a difference between apathy and wisdom.
Apathy is not caring.
I believe most are becoming wiser regarding campaign promises, and not falling for the bullsheet anymore.


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Reply #17 - 06/22/15 at 11:16:02
 
indifference ˇ lack of interest ˇ lack of enthusiasm


Sufficient wisdom, insight, understanding the futility, creates indifference ˇ lack of interest ˇ lack of enthusiasm .
So, in a way, wisdom fits.
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Reply #18 - 06/22/15 at 15:43:27
 
Paraquat wrote on 06/22/15 at 11:03:42:
There's a difference between apathy and wisdom.
Apathy is not caring.
I believe most are becoming wiser regarding campaign promises, and not falling for the bullsheet anymore.


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Obama was reelected despite lying repeatedly. Hillary is a leading contender.  We're getting worse not better.
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Reply #19 - 06/22/15 at 21:50:41
 
I called HC as next when Obama was elected.
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Reply #20 - 06/23/15 at 00:27:16
 
Pine wrote on 06/21/15 at 16:04:04:
Dnews Youtube channel had an episode, stating that "race" is not a scientific existing reality. (Though they murmurered softly that ethnicity is).  Their take is that "race" is a social construct.  They then compared the whole then to "breeds" of dogs.  There is no such thing as a "purebred" dog. In the end they are all just dogs. Breeds are simply dogs that have been breed from other breeds such that you can maintain a set characteristics within some constraint of bloodlines.

For me in the end, I could see their point, but it was still insulting. Humans have "bred" into bloodlines that carry some set of traits. That does not mean that the tendency for social groups to label them is any less "real".

That groups then attach generalities to whole swaths of other humans based race, is, in my book wrong. The same could be said of gender.  It is a scientific FACT that all humans have as mammalian trait the need to categorize.. just about everything we meet in our existence. It generally rather serves us well and is one of the traits that separates us from all other forms of life on the planet.  That this trait would be used by small minded or narrow minded individuals to either exclude a competitor or lift their meager self esteem is a given.

it is up to each of us to decide to buy into it (racism), and or question how much we let such notions effect our relations with other humans.  As to me personally, being old and a father, I do wonder if I allowed gender bias affect my relationships with my son (age 17) and my daughter (age 23), or even with my own wife. Although I am a white man in the deep south, I feel on the whole my relations with other "races/ethnicity) reflects well on my life. Do I still generalize every so often? sure, I find most often I do so when there is a distinct lack of information. And as information comes in (meaning I meet others of some otherwise new to me race), I am much better checking those gut feelings to generalize. I think you would be extremely hard pressed to find anyone that knows me to characterize me as racist. Though I have met people I did not know ( from California) that ASSUMED I must racist. (She, a black woman asked if it was ok for us to be seated at the same table at a conference while in Salt Lake City Utah). ( of course also wanted to know if we had indoor plumbing, I didn't much like her)

As to self-identifying... that seems to be all the rage for gender and seems to be back-filling into race/ethnicity. What-ever. I guess I really don't care to argue about how one "self identifies". Some one can "S I" as an "fluid elf" for all I care... But doing so I reserve the RIGHT to revert to not having enough information and therefore to categorize all those that use that label until I have experience to remove my generalizations.  

IE ... anyone self- identifiing as elf = MORON until I information that proves my gut categorization invalid. And thats my right.  Wink


May I politely not agree... not with Pine, but with the "whomevers" who claim "race is a social construct".

Let's go back to "Pre-Colombian" Days, when Europe was war-torn Europe and Africa and the Americas and Oceania were left very much to their own selves.

The Bolivian native was characterized by physical adaptations which allowed him to live at 4000m. as his daily routine: big lungs, big feet, move slowly to use as little oxygen as possible, long cold winters and mild summers.

The Polinesian native was characterized by physical characteristics which allowed him to live as a sea-farer: his eyes were accustomed to the glare of the sun on the sea, his body was accustomed to living exposed to sun and salt all his life, etc.

The Mandingo and the Bushman living at the edges of opposite deserts, on opposite Tropics in Africa lived in differing environments and had developed differing traits: the Mandingo lived by the banks of the rivers Volta and Niger, and was tall and relied on agriculture, hence his body; the Bushman lived by the edges of the Kalahari and relied on hunting and even had (still has) to hunt for water.

In what is today modern northern Canada, the Eskimo was a hunter who would go on long and often fatal hunts in the winter, and his diet consisted of amounts of animal fat that would kill a modern citydweller.

And somebody insists that "race is a social construct" ?  Roll Eyes

So how is it that we have different races of wild animals, who are reciprocally compatible but have evolved in different ways ?

So how is it that we have blond scandinavians, ink black nubians, slant-eyed chinese and purple-skinned australian aborigenes ?

We are one species, many races. It's not politics nor social construct, it's biology.  Smiley

Some controversial food for thought (not that I agree to all, but that's why it's called "food for thought" :
- http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/RaceandIQWorldMap.htm





And... my favorite...  Cool



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Reply #21 - 06/23/15 at 06:17:47
 
I applaud your post, mpescatori.

I think I forgot a link to their story: ( and it was not DNews but a spin-off Testtube plus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3sguRWYK0


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Reply #22 - 06/23/15 at 07:48:30
 
those eyes on that 3rd girl from the left are killers.....!
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Reply #23 - 06/23/15 at 15:27:33
 
I wonder if the Seafoam will remove some of that buildup on my Y chromosome...
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Reply #24 - 06/23/15 at 16:12:56
 
Great post ,Pesci.
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Reply #25 - 07/16/15 at 22:13:20
 
Great post Pesci
Racism is the social construct
put a buncha toddlers together, see if they exhibit racism

I am captivated by the eyes of #3 from the left,too, though I think it's also facial structure, etc
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