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Question: So, how will you upgrade to Win 10 ?   (multiple votes OK)

I will seek it joyously as fast as I can
I will watch and wait for most of a year
I am being Borged already at Win 7/8.1
I will stay out until they force it on me
Thinking about jumping ship - do something else
Will stay where I am until my hardware dies
ChromeOS or Linux for me, thank you
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE RESULTS


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Reply #45 - 07/25/15 at 09:38:47
 
On voice recognition,
I am hoping that Google, Cortana and Siri will finally listen to my suggestion of letting the consumer set the "wake up" key words for each of them.
Why? you ask, well, I often hang out at places of imbibement and of course the inebriated on finding out I am a techie, will yell out stupid stuff, like, "ok google now, search porn" or "ok google now, where is the nearest adult store".
They don't really know that Microsoft and Google save these searches in my history and I personally have no way to delete or erase them.
By letting me setup my own "wake up" statement, I could alleviate all these pranks, these guys are really asses when they drink and I have complete strangers having "fun" with ol' bill.

And to add, a customizeable screen lock would be great. I know a voice command sequence would prove great as a deterrent and I would not have to press my screen to activate my phone.
Of course if you have a cold or a few drinks, it could prove challenging, but a secondary "keypad" unlock could solve that.

Common' software guys! help a fella' out here!
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Reply #46 - 07/26/15 at 14:29:23
 

Win 10 just autoforced an Nvidia update that included drivers that were misapplied and the update crashed all multi-monitor rig ups for several distinct brands of PC and monitor.

Microsoft's plan that "one size fits all" is going to force users to stick inside a known set of hardware parameters or else suffer spontaneous breakage due to updates.

And this is news for MS ????    Nope.   Been that way all along, except now you CANNOT back away from a bad update by System Restore, etc.   The new system as released is one way only.

There are also known conflicts between major brand name device driver managers as installed on a good brand name laptop (they all manage their own device drivers, BTW) and what Win 10 does automatically.

And MS has got to fix this prior to release, or else every driver issue or other update related breakage that occurs will count against their new baby's "success".

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Reply #47 - 07/26/15 at 16:19:54
 

And MS has another old issue raising its head again, mostly due to inattention during the "last minute release week furor" I suspect.

As we barrel down into release week, Win 10 is currently preset to not allow the user access to the boot loader, which means you can't easily go add a Linux as a dual boot.    Your existing Linux should remain OK since you are update/upgrading, but adding a new Linux down the road might be problematical.

This means a little something here in America, but in Europe it is a real deal killer if it is permitted to remain that way through the end of this week.

This is all part and parcel of the forced upgrade mess currently going on, Win 10 is obviously intended to be run from MS's end and the users become just users of a no-charge system that is totally controlled by MS.   MS is shutting down that which conflicts with that forced upgrade system.

This will actually not fly very well with the hard core Windows boys who want to tweek their Windows systems to suit themselves --- and it will get EU action called down on MS head right shortly if it remains set that way, even on the free Win 10 version.

EU actions on false advertising are already being primed, for whenever Win 10 rolls over to the subscription model and isn't "free" as originally advertised.    MS has already bit that bullet by their advertising so if they charge for Win 10, ever, they get that EU legal action right up the nose.

It is suspected that the future subscription paid versions will have these sorts of uglies removed, but if you just want to stick with the free Win 10 you get what you get.

Sorta like all those other free Windows world trial softwares that wind up being crippled in some critical fashion to encourage you to shell out for the premium version later on.

Me, I see Free Win 10 being a transition version, intended mainly to kill off all past legal requirements for all old versions -- with Win 10 to be replaced by Win 11 as soon as all the legal dust settles with Win 11 being structured as pay me from the get go.

BTW, since you are legally transferring your old license over to the new Win 10 license, your old software license ENDS totally and you have a case of "you can't go back" looking you in the eye if you decide you don't really like Win 10.

This will get challenged and reversed in the EU eventually as well.

But you don't live in the EU, now do you?

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Reply #48 - 07/26/15 at 16:48:47
 

Why do Chromebooks work flawlessly and Win 10 does not?

MS cannot handle the wide range of diversity out in PC land and hit all them little nails all right on the head on the very first swing of the hammer.    Things keep moving around on them from machine to machine, and it drives MS crazy.

Chromebooks have pre-certified  completely known nail head locations (part of the hardware certification process) and it does not matter who builds a Google certified design, if they use the certified board design and certified parts it will all work correctly.

So, if you expect Chromebook like reliability out of Win 10, you are going to have to use certified hardware.

Apple could have told you that, silly boys .....

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Reply #49 - 07/26/15 at 22:53:01
 

Will getting rid of old slow legacy softwares really mean the new Edge browser will run that much faster?

Yes.


Bad news is a lot of older non-modern web based stuff contains a LOT of old nasty Flash and Java, etc.  There will be a whole lot of web-choking going on starting next week when Edge won't run that old crap at all.

Once the Win 10 phase in forces the web site people to get rid of all their stupid old softwares, then everybody's browsers will speed up accordingly on the very next update revision when they drop all their Flash and Java, etc. etc.    

Some more so than others ......

In a world of only modern software, will Edge be the fastest browser then?  

Likely not .....

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Reply #50 - 07/26/15 at 23:02:52
 

Why can Chromebooks run everything (and I do mean everything) quickly and cleanly and while only using 1/2 the systems memory and hard drive space that will be required by the new Cloudbooks ???

Net powered Chromebook software uses Google server farm horsepower to pre-process things for your Chromebook.  Always has.  

MS products all depend on local desktop processing, which requires a lot of processor and memory and drive space to do it on.    

And MS Cloudbooks get slower if you have a lighter processor or if you have to buffer stuff back & forth out of the MS cloud all the time because you only have twice as much systems memory as a Chromebook.   (you really need 4 times as much systems memory and a 3-4 times more powerful processor to get anything close to quick as)

Smiley     ..... and the bad news is the Chromebook is faster even at half the memory.   Give it the same amount of memory and the same processor speed as the porky Cloudbook and it jest screams along while jest a ripping through all them tasks.
   
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Re: Oh my! Windows 10 already?
Reply #51 - 07/26/15 at 23:25:22
 

Is Win 10 finished, tested, polished and feature complete as it is being forced out the door?


Heck no, but MS has freely stated this all along.

The model they are basing on is like a Linux Distro, with daily endless updates and new features coming out all the time.

A Linux Distro will  let you pick what upgrades you want to allow to be installed, however.    The good ones also allow backing out a bad upgrade as well.

MS just thrusts it all down your throat with NO CHOICE and lets you gag on it.   What's bad is you can't puke it back out later on if it really makes you sick.

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Reply #52 - 07/27/15 at 08:15:43
 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-releases-tool-to-hide-or-block-unwante...

Microsoft releases tool to hide or block unwanted Windows 10 updates

"One of the most controversial decisions Microsoft made in its design of Windows 10 is a fundamental change to the way Windows Update works.

Windows 10 Home offers no way to block security updates and new features. And even the Pro edition has only limited control over updates.

That's sparked an outcry from Windows 10 testers (including my ZDNet colleague Adrian Kingsley-Hughes) accustomed to years of being able to pick and choose from a menu of updates each month.

I've heard isolated (but legitimate) complaints this week from Windows 10 testers complaining that an updated Nvidia driver was causing havoc with their systems. One such tweet, from a longtime Windows tester, even managed to catch Gabe Aul's attention.

When Windows 10 arrives this week, Windows Update won't include that blocking option, but Microsoft does have a well-hidden troubleshooter package, KB3073930, which allows you to hide or block Windows Updates and, crucially, driver updates."


So, Ed Bott says some old work arounds are available inside the long lists of downloaded stuff the experimental guys have been getting all along.
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Reply #53 - 07/28/15 at 19:28:00
 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/27/windows-10-automatic-updat...



This is NOT the same issue as the Nvidia driver issue, that was yesterday's forced update disaster -- this is the brand new fresh for today much larger more serious and seen as much more widespread disaster  -- TODAY'S update included two (2) totally brand new "dual threats for the price of one" update disasters.    If it doesn't get your network adapter all hosed up it will turn instantly turn around and munch on your Internet Explorer system .....

Malware  Attack ????   Who knows.

And Forbes clarifies it all in their exact and "financially correct" fashion ......

"Well, here comes trouble. With just two days to go before release Windows 10’s controversial automatic update system has struck again and this time it is arguably even more serious…

Following the Nvidia debacle, over the weekend Windows 10 pushed ‘KB3074681’ to Windows Insiders running Windows 10 Build 10240. This is presumed to be the same build as the final release consumers and businesses will receive on Wednesday.

KB3074681 had no detailed information about what it contained but as it was classified as a ‘security’ patch it installed immediately and without warning to all versions of Windows 10 (Home, Pro and Enterprise) then promptly caused Windows Explorer to crash for a number of users."


This one was so bad Microsoft had to talk to it to reassure the crowds that Win 10 isn't really a not quite ready for prime time altogether too too buggy piece of shite.

The Temporary Fix

"Gabe Aul, Microsoft’s Engineering General Manager, confirmed to Supersite For Windows that the company is working on a fix for KB3074681 and if users go to Programs and Features > Uninstall, choose the patch by clicking it just once and then click the ‘Uninstall’ button at the top of the list it will be removed. The crash was being triggered by the shortcut of double clicking the program you want to uninstall.

Mark Wilson at BetaNews also found a second workaround using the Windows 10 Troubleshooter for those hit by KB3074681’s network adaptor crashes:

Hit the Windows key, type ‘Troubleshooting’ and click the Troubleshooting icon.
Click the ‘View all’ link to the left of the window.
Click the ‘Network Adapter’ link and then click Next.
Windows 10 will detect the disabled adapter and re-enable it without killing Explorer.
He warns: “Now… leave it enabled until a new update is released or you’re going to have to go through this time and time again!”


Tomorrows forced update will fix this issue and DO NOTHING ELSE THAT IS NEW -- Microsoft doesn't want to screw up their big gala introduction day celebration after all.

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Reply #54 - 07/29/15 at 07:20:20
 
 
THE BIG ROLL OUT DAY

And what does the mainstream press have to say about Win 10 on roll out day ???

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-review-microsoft-takes-a-step-back-...

"Starting today, Microsoft will try to reinvigorate its flagging Windows franchise, reignite falling PC sales, and maybe even save its almost invisible phone business with the release of just one product — Windows 10.

At its heart, Windows 10, which will begin rolling out gradually as a free update, is a rescue mission. It's an attempt to almost fully backpedal from its 2012 predecessor, Windows 8 (they are skipping 9), which was a radical effort to redefine the way Windows looked and worked. That experiment failed to win the hearts and wallets of consumers, and is estimated to have only about a 16 percent share of global PC users.

Also, the near-final build I've been testing proved surprisingly buggy. In particular, I had trouble with Windows 10's sexiest new feature, the voice-controlled Cortana intelligent assistant — Microsoft's answer to Apple's Siri — which has migrated from Windows Phones to the PC.

And I advise would-be upgraders who aren't enthusiasts to wait to upgrade at least for a few months, until the product is more stable and reliable."


All of the above was lifted from directly from Recode by CNBC and reported as NEWS, by golly .... tells us that CNBC reporters are getting really really lazy in the modern era, no?    Complete cut and paste journalism no less.

http://recode.net/2015/07/28/windows-10-review-microsoft-takes-a-step-back-to...


PS     Click on and read your little Win 10 upgrade icon in your taskbar -- it has a message for you.

In essence it says ..... We are working with our partners to make the Win 10 upgrade applicable to all the strange hardware we have detected in your machines.   When we get there, you'll get your Win 10 installation.

If you want to take too much from this past week of chaos and the wording of the little note, maybe you'll never arrive at Win 10 because MS will eventually disallow your hardware mix as "unsupportable".  

That's one way to force you to go buy something new and "approved" ain't it -- just make you wait forever for your upgrade because you are "unsupportable".


...... rest easy, Linux Mint Mate will auto detect and support what you have, whatever it is ........
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Reply #55 - 07/29/15 at 07:43:41
 
waiting for a new release of windows to get stable is old school.   Cool
and by the time it gets stable, it's a lot cheaper, but now it's free and later it may not be.   Huh
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Reply #56 - 07/29/15 at 07:56:45
 

Actually, MS has been sufficiently threatened by EU action now and I think Win 10 will remain free until it gets replaced by the next version (or PCs become totally a backwater issue).

People are now asking why Vista and XP were not supported, and I think the root issue there is that when you go back to that era 32 bit systems were more prevalent back then and Win 10 isn't 32 bit at all.    Plus a lot of the motherboard and card vendors from back then have been out of business for over 5 years and NO 64 BIT DRIVERS EVER EXISTED for these items and MS has no big crew to go write them again, so fuggitaboutit is the answer MS has come up with.

HERE IS THE LATEST REPORTED WORD ON THE BIG RELEASE

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/28/9045331/microsoft-windows-10-review

This one is an original, well written full sized article from the Verge.    I like them, they have a good balance when reporting but they do sling facts as facts and they make no apologies for doing so.

"It’s easy to recommend Windows 10 as an upgrade for anyone on Windows 7 and Windows 8, but maybe not just yet. "Wait for service pack 1" has always been the default advice for new versions and Windows, and it absolutely applies here. During my testing on a variety of hardware, I’ve run into a lot of bugs and issues — even with the version that will be released to consumers on launch day. Some range from basic problems like app icons on the task bar disappearing, all the way up to my audio randomly failing or blue screens. I don’t own every PC configuration out there, but as I look at others expressing frustration over these odd issues on Twitter, it’s clear I’m not alone. Even during Microsoft’s review demonstration of Windows 10, a PC rebooted due to a blue screen.

THAT’S THE NATURE OF THE WINDOWS CYCLE: BAD VERSION, THEN A GOOD VERSION

Everything about Windows 10 feels like a new approach for Microsoft, and I’m confident these early bugs and issues will be addressed fairly quickly. I’m hoping and expecting that as we approach the holiday season, we’ll see a more finished Windows 10. If you can deal with a few oddities here and there and you’re frustrated with Windows 8, then by all means upgrade now. But if you depend on your Windows computer on a daily basis and it’s working fine for you, you should hold off until everything is a little more polished. Microsoft is rolling out daily updates at the moment, so it might only be a matter of weeks until things are fixed. Windows 10 is a work in progress, and it’s at the early part of its life right now."


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Reply #57 - 07/29/15 at 08:33:40
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/what-do-you-think-of-windows-10-so-far.html

And now, here come the polls .....

Worth reading and clicking just to see what the vast majority of people are thinking about Win 10 on roll out day.

Rest assured, Gabe Abdul is reading as many polls as he can find and is adjusting his "sales pitch" accordingly.



.... actually, I found myself wanting to click on two of them, and sure enough they were #1 and #2 on the hit parade.

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Reply #58 - 07/29/15 at 11:12:58
 

Ta Da !!!!

Welcome to Win 10 and the brand new, improved Blue Screen of Death experience .....




Many folks are getting this experience as the Win 10 upgrade breaks in mid stride, leaving them with a tanked machine.

Go, Microsoft, Go !!!!


....... as to where to go, that's optional depending on if you have a report due out this afternoon and it and your machine is temporary toast .......
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Reply #59 - 07/29/15 at 11:17:20
 

http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-features-upgrade-review-microsoft-358027

Newsweek reports on Upgrading to Windows 10—and 5 Reasons Why You'll Want to Wait



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