Seems you guys are just as confused as me, no replies, no nut'n.....

Reading some pundits on the dang thing can't give anything concrete either...

What was in this SOB?

Is their a threat of JFK outcome leveled on O in whispered threats if he doesn't give them what they "paid for"?

Come on guys, share your thoughts, JOG, tell me about your helicopters  

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-27/julian-assange-tpp-deal-isnt-about-t...

Evidently, there are 29 chapters in this agreement and only 5 have anything to do with traditional trade. Their is an interview with Assange in the link that paints a better picture.  

Best regards,

Was it not Bill Clinton who said for every job lost by NAFTA, two would be gained?

It seems to me, this remark by Obama on Saturday, that the workers’ aid, through the Trade Adjustment Assistance legislation, providing job-training, community-college education and other help for the tens of thousands of American workers each year who have been hurt by past trade deals -- “the kind we’re not going to repeat again.”

“For the sake of those workers, their families and their communities, I urge those members of Congress who voted against Trade Adjustment Assistance to reconsider,”

The assistance is set to expire in September.

Is Clinton wrong, is that the tens of thousand YEARLY number Obama refers?

What is different now about fast track then?

I am guessing this is BIG corporations passing the BUCK and responsibilities (liabilities)  off to other entities to limit their risk of losing their capital.....  in order to appeal to more "investors" to risk greater sums, into ventures, etc.
It appears some of the very policies Obama and the democrats put into effect with their EPA, Union (demands) , legal mitigations, etc, have become too great a financial hurdle/burden for corporations, consuming too many dollars of their budget and making the risk (of capital ) a poor bet.... and this is BIG money (globally)  pulling the strings on their puppets.

Is there not a politician who is not in the pocket of lobbyist but common folk, anymore?

Too bad the Tea Party "movement" got derailed and co-opted, we need that kind of energy back, returning the power back to the PEOPLE...

Not sure if the battle is over folks, but it is getting close.

The Bible talks a lot about being a sheep.

They are dependant upon their shepherd.

He provides all their concerns, if he is a good shepherd.....

Does a good shepherd exist in Washington?

Do you feel like a sheep?  

Be honest, look around you.....

Look at ALL the government has done, is doing..... that we should be doing for ourselves.

BHHhhhhaaaaaaaaa

IF our electeds Represent OUR wishes , how can they vote on anything
like this that we haven't seen and approved of?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/10/wikileaks-releases-more-of...


Things they have done RIGHT IN FRONT OF US have screwed us.
How comfortable are you while they operate
On our behalf,coff,coff
In secret?

I think the way to get their attention is for people to either not vote or write in names not on the ballot.
Urban legend? I heard Mickey Mouse nearly won a presidential election.
Both sides supported NAFTA. Anyone with a brain could see what would happen.
So,why did they do it?
Why not change it?
Why would anyone vote for anyone who supports the TPP?
I'm stunned by people who support either party.

oldNslow wrote on 06/14/15 at 12:24:11:


/agree

I saw the Assange interview as well.. its most all I have to go on. I am against the whole TPP from the get-go based on non-transparency.  My understanding is (per Assange) that the TPP would allow multi-national corps to sue any and all government entities in arbitrage (not court) for lost profits. Basically, this would make any and all laws (like EPA regs) subject to a private secret tribunal.  Multi-national corps could get out of being stuck with such regulations while local businesses would be stuck with compliance.
Example given is that Uragray wanted to have notices on cigarette packages just like int he USA, but R.J. Reynolds blocked it as it would impact local sales.
Another example, was that if a multi-national built a private hospital, and then later a city wanted to build a public one, they could be STOPPED or have to pay for lost profits.
The point being that ONLY multi-national corps would get the benefits and that the TPP would trump all national laws and regulations and ther would be NO WAY to sue then except in a tribunal and then only by a government entity.
TPA would autherize the TPP. Never in history had the TPP failed if the TPA passed. So when the repugs asking for jsut passing the TPA, they KNEW it meant the TPP could not be blocked once the TAP passed.  SCUM.
In this case, the (whats left of) the Tea party types were joined by the democrats as pressured by the UNIONS.. who had enough clout/money to find out about the TPP.  What strange bed-fellows.

My mother (old school democrat) and I did agree though... even though Obama did "support" the TPP.. it just did not seem like his heart was in it. Which makes me wonder that he technically met backers requirement that he support it, while not being too upset it didn't make it.  

This all begs the question though... can we as a group write up a trade agreement ( in secret) that only benefits us and take it to Washington? I want only real gas/ say 50% of all refineries output for only motorcyclers use. ANd free oil and free tires.. and free helmets and free jackets... and free insurance. All that stuff I have to have.. to be a GOOD rider for the car folks.

amiright?

I think government has more power today than 100 years ago so it's far easier today for corporations to influence public policy. So much of our lives are regulated by one government agency or another that it's difficult to do anything without conforming to some regulation laid out by unelected bureaucrats.  Hell, I was going to buy and license a utility trailer from a guy off craigslist who didn't have it titled in the state where he lived before because they didn't require it. Now, if I bought it off him, I would literally have to go to three different government agencies in order to legally pull this trailer down the road. I mean come on, this is getting ridiculous. I have to get a notarized bill of sale so I have to go to a notary public. Then I have to get a state inspection at a facility approved by the state that does inspections which is usually a gas station or something like that. Finally I have to go to license bureau which is a company subcontracted to do licensing for the state. When was the last time you ever bought or sold a piece of land, do you remember how much paperwork was required?
Government regulations almost always open up opportunities for businesses to get involved and charge a fee.