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justin_o_guy2
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Reply #15 - 06/06/15 at 16:18:07
 
Well, I'm not there to see,but maybe you just found it.

What,Exactly, did you clip the ground onto while the battery was in the bike?

Now would be a Real good time to have a voltmeter.
Do you have a small charger?
Do you have any charger that has a gauge?

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Reply #16 - 06/06/15 at 16:22:40
 
Put the battery back in. Run a temporary jumper wire from the negative battery terminal to a bolt head somewhere on the engine. If the bike powers up when you do that, and won't power up without the jumper in place, you have a problem with the negative battery cable.



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Reply #17 - 06/06/15 at 16:28:13
 
I clipped the ground to several different things.  First I just clipped it to the nearest bolt head, then moved it all over the place trying to get a light.  I don't have a charger or anything that can give me an accurate reading on voltage.
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Reply #18 - 06/06/15 at 16:42:17
 
Didn't you connect to battery negative?

Man, id get a voltmeter, under ten bucks.
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Reply #19 - 06/06/15 at 16:52:26
 
oldNslow wrote on 06/06/15 at 16:22:40:
Put the battery back in. Run a temporary jumper wire from the negative battery terminal to a bolt head somewhere on the engine. If the bike powers up when you do that, and won't power up without the jumper in place, you have a problem with the negative battery cable.


I just tried this and got the same result.  No power at all.  There are also no hot wires in the ignition plug.
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Reply #20 - 06/06/15 at 17:04:27
 
There are also no hot wires in the ignition plug.

Aww, man, really? You mean it just controls ground?
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Reply #21 - 06/06/15 at 17:11:25
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/06/15 at 17:04:27:
There are also no hot wires in the ignition plug.

Aww, man, really? You mean it just controls ground?


It's just that I'm not getting a test light anywhere on the ignition, but then again, I'm not getting a light anywhere.
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Reply #22 - 06/06/15 at 17:28:55
 
chzeckmate wrote on 06/06/15 at 16:06:09:
Okay, so I've got some odd results.  I grounded my test light and touched the positive lead to the battery + and no light.  I connected the test light negative lead to ythe negative terminal and the positive lead to the positive terminal and no light.  I removed the battery from the bike and the test light worked.  wth?


 I connected the test light negative lead to the negative terminal and the positive lead to the positive terminal and no light.

Okay, the clip you put on the neg. terminal, did you put it on anything Other than the lead part of the battery?
I am asking again, Exactly,what did you do.

When you are wanting a ground to work out for you and you have a clip,you may need to clean up what you clip on, maybe squeeze it and wiggle it.
If you have not clieaned the ground on the motor, you should.
I'm not comfortable that the light only works with the battery out..
You said you have had this problem before...
Did you change the battery, anything, anything else you have done or someone else, anything you can tell about the history.
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Reply #23 - 06/06/15 at 17:38:12
 
Yeah this exact same thing happened about two weeks ago so I had the battery replaced under warranty. That battery was only about a month old And that incident happened right after changing the headlight bulb for a brighter one
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Reply #24 - 06/06/15 at 17:43:01
 
I put the positive lead on the screw on the terminal, the terminal, itself, and the cable connector. I put the negative on numerous bolt heads. I did clean the bolt heads first
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Reply #25 - 06/06/15 at 18:20:40
 
And that incident happened right after changing the headlight bulb for a brighter one

The charge circuit does not have much more than the bike demands.
Your brighter bulb might be more than the bike will support.

But that doesn't explain the light working with the battery out but not in.
Do you have ten bucks?
At least haul the battery to an auto parts store and get it checked.
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Reply #26 - 06/06/15 at 23:42:15
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/06/15 at 18:20:40:
And that incident happened right after changing the headlight bulb for a brighter one

The charge circuit does not have much more than the bike demands.
Your brighter bulb might be more than the bike will support.

But that doesn't explain the light working with the battery out but not in.
Do you have ten bucks?
At least haul the battery to an auto parts store and get it checked.


Here's something interesting.  I took someone's advice and tried to jump start the bike and it worked.  I'm assuming that the battery has enough juice to light my test light but not enough juice to power the bike.  I'm really confused about how two brand new batteries could go bad in an instant.  I mean both batteries were so good that the starter didn't even whine.  It would just start instantly...you'd hear the initial click of the starter and immediately the motor would begin to rumble.  What could cause a battery to go from being that strong to not being able to even dimly light the neutral light?  I've never left the bike in park.  I double check that every time.  I'm OCD about that.  I ride every day at least half an hour both ways and the revs are high enough that the charging system shouldn't struggle to put power back into the battery.  I'm really worried that I'm going to go get the battery replaced under warranty again and this will repeat itself.  
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Reply #27 - 06/06/15 at 23:47:30
 
That's odd, you quoted my post,yet, overlooked a clue, a question and a suggestion.
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Reply #28 - 06/06/15 at 23:51:15
 
Sorry, I meant to mention that the headlight bulb is just a brighter bulb.  The wattage is the same it's just better technology, I'm getting the multimeter in the morning, and I'll be taking the battery there in the morning.
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Reply #29 - 06/07/15 at 00:20:28
 
Good plan,,
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