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Re: Did Carb Mods, Still Backfires
Reply #15 - 05/14/15 at 21:23:03
 
Thanks, but no. I'm an old guy and I like the quieter sound of the stock muffler. I'm waiting patiently for the day someone produces an electric bike with a style and price I like. Met a dirt biker on Green Mountain with an electric dirt bike he bought at Cliff's Cycle Center, and I was impressed with the speed and agility he was able to achieve. As dino oil will run out, it's the way to go.
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Reply #16 - 05/15/15 at 08:37:20
 
No problem.

We're not interested in a louder sound, either, but the stock pipe has rash from the PO and this is a cheap way to get a nice looking pipe.  If it's too much louder SWMBO will take it right off.

I test rode a Zero electric motorcycle up in Seattle last month.  Holy Smokes!  Most thrilling motorcycle ride I've had in a very long time.  

Once the figure out recharging in the time it takes to fill a gas tank it will be all over for dino powered bikes.
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Reply #17 - 05/15/15 at 10:57:53
 
That's already figured out, if the yabos pushing electric would just frigging admit it
got a cordless drill? that's your answer, replaceable batteries
go to the 'recharge station' trade your low battery for a freshly charged one, done and done
but the idiots that be can't seem to grasp the concept

that just leaves...infrastructure dun dun DUUUUN!
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Reply #18 - 05/15/15 at 12:25:26
 
My thoughts exactly, just have a "recharge/exchange station", like they do with your grill gas bottles.
Make ALL batteries the same size and connections for ALL vehicles.
Have a Drive-Thru exchange station, where you pull in like an oil change station... they pop the door, slide out the used battery, put it in a charging rack, and pull a fully charged one off another rack, install it in the vehicle, pay the fee for a charged battery and off you go.
But will they do it? probably not, makes too much sense, and would create a ton of businesses and jobs.
But also a few of them would probably buy up old used batteries and cheat a customer.....  but you have those type in garages now days anyway.
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Reply #19 - 05/17/15 at 08:11:00
 
Oh yes
As a former pro wrench I makes my blood boil when I hear tales of incompetent / sleazy mechanics costing customers money unnecessarily
Though I do tend to look at it carefully before I decide it was a bad job, it's amazing what gets blamed on mechanics sometimes
"he put a fuel pump in and then the brake master cylinder went bad, I think he rigged it to go out"
"That's not actually possible"
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having an accurate charge gauge on the car would help mitigate this somewhat, a bad battery would I think sow less than a full charge
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Reply #20 - 05/17/15 at 10:24:14
 
I fixed copiers and cash registers for 7 years. Call comes in, paper jam...
Go fix the paper feed problem,tomorrow copy quality falls off,   and, totally unrelated, yet, all my fault. Somehow, while I was cleaning paper feed tires and clutches I somehow managed to set up a time delay sabotage to cause the copy quality to go to crap.I was so busy I got to work early, rarely had time for lunch, worked late, but they didn't know that. Maybe they thought it would be free,,and sometimes it was... if the wrong person took the call and called it a Callback. There were idiots who answered the phone.
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Reply #21 - 05/18/15 at 20:23:31
 
For what it's worth, I'm at sea level near Boston and my 2009 S40 popped very frequently on decel. I checked for exhaust leaks, cleaned the carb, used a richer jet, and tinkered endlessly with the idle mix screw, and none of these things eliminated the decel pops. However, clipping 1/2 round off the spring in the TEV (Transient Enrichment Valve) on the right side of the carb has virtually eliminated them, with a negligible effect on gas mileage. Instead of one or more pops almost every time I decelerated from more than 40mph, I get one or two mild pops, at most, on a three-hour ride.

I'd try everything else recommended here before tinkering with the TEV spring, but it worked for me.
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Reply #22 - 05/31/15 at 09:27:05
 
There's a rubber cap (sorry, I'm not very technical and don't know what it's called, but I can show it -- it's near the left edge of the photo about 1/3 down from the top) that on my '04 had become dryrotted and cracked. This was letting air in and when the tech pinched it, RPMs went up and when he replaced it, backfiring decreased by about 30-50%. Check that rubber cap at the intake and replace if needed.
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Reply #23 - 05/31/15 at 13:25:05
 
David OF MA

Were you able to work on the TEV without removing the Carburetor?

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Reply #24 - 05/31/15 at 14:24:14
 
Yes, just remove the three screws on the TEV cover. Maintain some pressure on the cover or the spring will pop off and get lost. Clean the passages and do other carb adjustments before you experiment with the spring, and remove only small amounts. Cutting off only 1/2 round was just right for my bike.
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Reply #25 - 05/31/15 at 14:54:08
 
David,

Thank You. I was able to get the screws out and one at a time and replaced them with Socket Head Cap Screws.

Tomorrow I will pull it apart and work on the spring.

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Reply #26 - 06/01/15 at 10:58:46
 
Lots of good info/suggestions.

Our first step will be cleaning the carb and re-jetting.  We ordered the jet kit from Lancer, but he was out of the 50 which, naturally, is what we need.  So, we're standing by to receive it before we tackle the project.
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Reply #27 - 06/01/15 at 11:10:21
 
Today I pulled apart the Transient Enrichment Valve and cleaned everything and blew out the tiny hole with carb cleaner and compressed air.

Since I had an Ace #90 Spring I replaced the Mikuni Spring with the Ace instead of cutting down the factory spring. The Ace spring is about a third shorter in length than the factory spring

Results:

I had to increase the idle speed quite a bit, perhaps a turn on the idle speed screw, maybe more then a turn.

I had absolutely no popping on deceleration. None what so ever.

Slight popping when changing gears going up through the gears. No popping when going down through the gears.

There was a very slight hesitation when the engine returns to idle, the idle speed dips just a trifle. I increased the idle speed to about 1350 RPM on my Ryca Tachometer and that appears to have smoothed out the transition from cruising speed to idle speed.

I went for a 47 mile ride on rural roads with a lot of shifting and braking and accelerating. The results appear to be an improvement.

When I arrived home I turned down the idle speed to as low it would go before stalling. I then re-adjusted the idle speed screw. This adjustment is not as sensitive as it was before the spring change. But turned it in until the idle started to stumble and then turned it out until it almost choked. I then moved the screw half way between the stumble and choking conditions. After the next test ride I may be able to slow down the idle a bit.

I am going to leave well enough alone for a tank or two of fuel.

What is needed here is a Progressively Wound Spring. I am going to search the new Ace Hardware Store that just opened for a variety of progressive wound springs.

Update:

Went for a 20 mile ride this evening and was able to slow the idle down to about 1275 RPM. The adjustment that I made to the idle air screw earlier today corrected the idle dipping down in speed and hesitation when coming into a stop.

I think this is as good as it is going to get.

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Reply #28 - 06/01/15 at 11:36:54
 
I had absolutely no popping on deceleration. None what so ever.


I would have to work on that some more.
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Re: Did Carb Mods, Still Backfires
Reply #29 - 06/04/15 at 20:55:17
 
I filled the gas tank this evening and checked my gas mileage.

The last few tanks I averaged 47 miles per gallon.

The tank today I only got 44 miles per gallon. I guess I am going to run a couple more tanks through to see what kind of mileage I get before I change anything else.

If mileage doesn't return to 47 mpg I will then look around for a couple of  different Progressive Wound Springs at Ace Hardware.

I suspect that I am using more fuel during deceleration because the Transient Enrichment Valve is activating more quickly with the #90 Spring, thus using more gas. I can live with this level of MPG rather then listening to the after firing if I have to, but I want to get the maximum MPG possible.

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