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Re: Exhaust question
Reply #15 - 05/08/15 at 16:02:40
 
That video is killing me!!!! Grin
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Yeah, like I have any clue what is going on....
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Reply #16 - 05/08/15 at 23:54:38
 
12 inch glasspack (no packing) and a 29 inch long fishtail pipe after it. Long weld in "stick stopper" (chopper) baffle tube at the end of the round section. Sounds like a real deal English thumper circa 1940s to mid 1960s.

A 38 inch long piece of chain link fence top rail, angle cut to 75 degrees, makes a Savage sound EXACTLY like a single engine Huey UH-1... and will set off car alarms in a 50 foot radius.  Grin
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Reply #17 - 05/09/15 at 00:29:13
 
I started with a RYCA header and 19" reverse cone muffler on the bobber. Swapped it out for a custom setup. Started with a 6" baffle welded in mid pipe and it was perfectly quiet but to much baffle and I lost most of my mid to top end response. Tore it apart 3 times relocating and shortening the baffle and never found that sweet spot.
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Reply #18 - 05/09/15 at 00:33:06
 
Tired of cutting open the exhaust to "adjust" the baffle I decided to 90 thru the frame and dump out the left side. Ended up with 30" of pipe length and settled with a slightly drilled out crumb cup. And it's perfect. Just the right sound without having that drum thumping back tone or rasp yet loud enough to hear me coming. The crumb cup gave me the right amount of baffling that I only had to adjust the idle mix screw a tad bit.
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Reply #19 - 05/09/15 at 00:34:46
 
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Now the right side of the rear is open to a hardtail bag that can carry an auxiliary fuel can. Having that made now should be done soon.
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Reply #20 - 05/09/15 at 02:43:12
 
I found the youtube clip that Dave posted really informative - geez there's a lot of other mis-information about exhausts out there. I could never get my head around all the talk of backpressure.  I now get why the straight pipe won't work well, even if you baffle it. I'm off to redo my straight pipe...
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Reply #21 - 05/09/15 at 04:32:13
 
WD wrote on 05/08/15 at 23:54:38:
12 inch glasspack (no packing) and a 29 inch long fishtail pipe after it. Long weld in "stick stopper" (chopper) baffle tube at the end of the round section. Sounds like a real deal English thumper circa 1940s to mid 1960s.

A 38 inch long piece of chain link fence top rail, angle cut to 75 degrees, makes a Savage sound EXACTLY like a single engine Huey UH-1... and will set off car alarms in a 50 foot radius.  Grin


WD I have to say you litterally hit the nail on the head for the sound im wanting with the 40s to mid 60s english thumper. Any part specifics? But also.. I like the idea of a huey... My inner child says helicopter lol
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Reply #22 - 05/11/15 at 08:31:44
 
Neilap wrote on 05/09/15 at 04:32:13:
WD wrote on 05/08/15 at 23:54:38:
12 inch glasspack (no packing) and a 29 inch long fishtail pipe after it. Long weld in "stick stopper" (chopper) baffle tube at the end of the round section. Sounds like a real deal English thumper circa 1940s to mid 1960s.

A 38 inch long piece of chain link fence top rail, angle cut to 75 degrees, makes a Savage sound EXACTLY like a single engine Huey UH-1... and will set off car alarms in a 50 foot radius.  Grin


WD I have to say you litterally hit the nail on the

head for the sound im wanting with the 40s to mid 60s english thumper. Any part specifics? But also.. I like the idea of a huey... My inner child says helicopter lol



Well, you cannot go wrong with that inner child.   Grin
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Reply #23 - 05/12/15 at 08:14:50
 
Part specifics? Any Harley aftermarket catalog has them. Generic 12" glasspack and a generic 29" fishtail pipe, add a couple Autozone or similar pipe adapters. Weld it up, tune the sound with copper or stainless steel pot scrubbers, dropped in at the head end of the assembly.

The scrubbies don't last very long, tend to come out on fire...  Cool

Finished pipe looks like... ...I hate chrome exhausts.
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Reply #24 - 05/12/15 at 12:24:41
 


Well, you cannot go wrong with that inner child.   Grin [/quote]

True, and my ride to work is very un-populated so disturbances arent that high given jacked up trucks with straightpipes and gutted cat's are found everywhere you look. But I am curious Lancer I was reading through posts and do you still sell those bored out jugs and pistons to match?
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Reply #25 - 05/12/15 at 12:26:38
 
WD wrote on 05/12/15 at 08:14:50:
Part specifics? Any Harley aftermarket catalog has them. Generic 12" glasspack and a generic 29" fishtail pipe, add a couple Autozone or similar pipe adapters. Weld it up, tune the sound with copper or stainless steel pot scrubbers, dropped in at the head end of the assembly.

The scrubbies don't last very long, tend to come out on fire...  Cool

Finished pipe looks like... http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/Jeffs%20pix/Sam/f4e723a2-349... hate chrome exhausts.


im kinda curious on what inlet/outlet diameter's id be looking for to keep from using adapters with a huge difference in them
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Reply #26 - 05/12/15 at 15:10:09
 
Neilap wrote on 05/12/15 at 12:24:41:
Well, you cannot go wrong with that inner child.   Grin


True, and my ride to work is very un-populated so disturbances arent that high given jacked up trucks with straightpipes and gutted cat's are found everywhere you look. But I am curious Lancer I was reading through posts and do you still sell those bored out jugs and pistons to match? [/quote]


Yes I do.  There is a correction though, the jug is the one you send to me.    
For both the camshafts and jugs, there are hardly any in decent condition for a reasonable price available on the market so it is necessary that you send me yours in order to make the camshaft/big bore needed.  The price is $575 for the Big Bore High Compression Set.  
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Reply #27 - 05/12/15 at 16:21:43
 


Yes I do.  There is a correction though, the jug is the one you send to me.    
For both the camshafts and jugs, there are hardly any in decent condition for a reasonable price available on the market so it is necessary that you send me yours in order to make the camshaft/big bore needed.  The price is $575 for the Big Bore High Compression Set.  
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I will get with you on that later. what all do you offer? since I will more than likely be doing all my upgrades in steps as the money rolls in.
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Reply #28 - 05/13/15 at 07:31:44
 
Neilap wrote on 05/12/15 at 16:21:43:
Yes I do.  There is a correction though, the jug is the one you send to me.    
For both the camshafts and jugs, there are hardly any in decent condition for a reasonable price available on the market so it is necessary that you send me yours in order to make the camshaft/big bore needed.  The price is $575 for the Big Bore High Compression Set.  


I will get with you on that later. what all do you offer? since I will more than likely be doing all my upgrades in steps as the money rolls in. [/quote]


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Any single or combination of the above Performance Parts will improve efficiency and power, but a better flowing exhaust system is a key factor in maximizing efficiency and performance.  A stock LS650 engine makes 30hp at the crank and 25hp at the rear wheel.  Expect about 45hp at the rear wheel with the above improvements, along with a good flowing exhaust system.  The transformation of the bike is dramatic … it is a totally different animal.  
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Reply #29 - 05/13/15 at 08:03:39
 
Alright I saved that information. Thank you LANCER and I believe its safe to say I know someone who will be putting in overtime and someone else who will more than likely be getting money from me Lol
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