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Reply #15 - 04/17/15 at 20:32:17
 
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Reply #16 - 04/17/15 at 20:33:10
 
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Re: New owner questions
Reply #17 - 04/17/15 at 20:52:36
 
Kris,

I have a bottle of the Red Line Break In Additive and I am wondering how many miles on the engine before I should discontinue the Red Line?

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Reply #18 - 04/17/15 at 20:56:21
 
I don't think I'd ever discontinue using it. It contains sacrificial zinc that wears away instead of the cam lobes & etc. The additive gets destroyed instead of the internal engine parts.
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Reply #19 - 04/17/15 at 21:04:19
 
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Reply #20 - 04/17/15 at 21:59:45
 
I have a friend that takes over 100 vitamins a day...
He says, he playing it safe...
I say, he has expensive pee...
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Reply #21 - 04/17/15 at 22:27:32
 
Kris,

Thank You!

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Reply #22 - 04/18/15 at 07:18:59
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/17/15 at 21:59:45:
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Since the oil companies have left us "low tech" guys stranded without zinc in our oil, we have to add some. The zinc used to be there to protect the metal surfaces from sliding friction. Since everything has gone to roller-this and roller-that, there isn't near the amount of friction involved and they can save $$$ by omitting the zinc (and other additives).

The Redline (and others) protect the metal surfaces in the engine with zinc since the "regular" oil doesn't contain much anymore. The consensus is that ~1200 ppm is the right amount to have for protection. Too little is useless and too much will accelerate wear.
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Reply #23 - 04/18/15 at 08:28:01
 
T6 is 5W40, and more than one bike has had issues keeping it in the engine... Regular Rotella T is 15W40, and for some riders, their climate is too cool for that heavy an oil... Rotella also happens to make a 10W30 high zinc (compared to car oil) for Kubota and other small industrial diesel engines...

I ran my 98 Savage on Castrol GTX 20W50 for years without issue. And then the formula changed and the clutch started slipping.  Angry

Ran my Kawasaki VN800A on Mobil red top 15W50 until the formula changed, and the clutch started slipping.  Angry

Tried all the "motorcycle" oils at one point or another in various road bikes, and the clutches slipped.  Angry

Stick to a name brand diesel oil, whatever one your particular machine seems to prefer (each engine has its own quirks). My 2003 has behaved best, and gotten it only decent fuel economy, on a blend (50/50) of Delo 15W40 and T6 5W40. Fuel economy on mine averages around 40mpg, on a bike that should be getting in the 70s (based on my 98, which got in the mid 70s to mid 80s, consistently, using 20W50). It almost got 45mpg on the blended oil (couldn't find second bottle of Delo in the garage, so, used a bottle of T6 that the store wouldn't take back).

I generally don't use synthetics in my bike. By 100 miles, the crankcase is empty, regardless of the brand. That's 2 Slopokis and 2 Kawis in a row that can't use the stuff, for the same reason.

I average 75-100 miles per day, year round. If there is no ice, and it isn't a tropical downpour, I'm taking the bike. Hate driving.
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Reply #24 - 04/18/15 at 08:46:07
 
I think the zinc also has a detrimental effect on catalytic converters.  Another reason they want it out of the oil.

It's strange, they've taken the good roller bearings off of the crank and cam of most newer bikes and put in sleeve bearings and put the rollers on the rockers now.  Let's put rollers on everything...it'll last a lot longer.
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Reply #25 - 04/18/15 at 14:31:28
 
WD wrote on 04/18/15 at 08:28:01:
T6 is 5W40, and more than one bike has had issues keeping it in the engine... Regular Rotella T is 15W40, and for some riders, their climate is too cool for that heavy an oil... Rotella also happens to make a 10W30 high zinc (compared to car oil) for Kubota and other small industrial diesel engines...

I ran my 98 Savage on Castrol GTX 20W50 for years without issue. And then the formula changed and the clutch started slipping.  Angry

Ran my Kawasaki VN800A on Mobil red top 15W50 until the formula changed, and the clutch started slipping.  Angry

Tried all the "motorcycle" oils at one point or another in various road bikes, and the clutches slipped.  Angry

Stick to a name brand diesel oil, whatever one your particular machine seems to prefer (each engine has its own quirks). My 2003 has behaved best, and gotten it only decent fuel economy, on a blend (50/50) of Delo 15W40 and T6 5W40. Fuel economy on mine averages around 40mpg, on a bike that should be getting in the 70s (based on my 98, which got in the mid 70s to mid 80s, consistently, using 20W50). It almost got 45mpg on the blended oil (couldn't find second bottle of Delo in the garage, so, used a bottle of T6 that the store wouldn't take back).

I generally don't use synthetics in my bike. By 100 miles, the crankcase is empty, regardless of the brand. That's 2 Slopokis and 2 Kawis in a row that can't use the stuff, for the same reason.

I average 75-100 miles per day, year round. If there is no ice, and it isn't a tropical downpour, I'm taking the bike. Hate driving.


So. The rotella t6 will just burn off?  Cause rotella t6 in my area is 30 dollars for a gallon and i really dont want to hear that i just wasted 30 dollars lol
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Reply #26 - 04/18/15 at 14:33:26
 
I see I may need to request MSDS from companies or online to see what il use on my bike if this stuff goes away in that short of a time frame.
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Reply #27 - 04/18/15 at 14:53:47
 
Neilap wrote on 04/18/15 at 14:33:26:
I see I may need to request MSDS from companies or online to see what il use on my bike if this stuff goes away in that short of a time frame.



MSDS probably aren't going to help you much. Those documents address the Fire and/or explosion hazards, environmental hazards and possible human toxicity of the materials. They don't necessarily list of the percentages of the various components of a particular material.

I'd just run 15/40 Rotella and quit worrying about it. In fact that's exactly what I do.
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Reply #28 - 04/18/15 at 19:15:04
 
oldNslow wrote on 04/18/15 at 14:53:47:
Neilap wrote on 04/18/15 at 14:33:26:
I see I may need to request MSDS from companies or online to see what il use on my bike if this stuff goes away in that short of a time frame.



MSDS probably aren't going to help you much. Those documents address the Fire and/or explosion hazards, environmental hazards and possible human toxicity of the materials. They don't necessarily list of the percentages of the various components of a particular material.

I'd just run 15/40 Rotella and quit worrying about it. In fact that's exactly what I do.



You are correct. I mixed up MSDS and the labels we had in the frac field lol. Well the issue is i got the 5w-40 t3 and slightly out of money until i get paid. I start back at my normal job making good money (been living off of delivery driving past 2 months)
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Reply #29 - 04/18/15 at 23:25:08
 
Most riders have no problems with 5W40 or 10W40. Most Savage riders aren't me... I ride my bikes like I hate them. Drives most of my riding friends bonkers, they are in 4th and I'm still in second...and going around them.

I obliterated (not broke, completely destroyed) 4 engines and 6 transmissions in 6 months on an FXWG... The "authorized" HD shops still won't sell me a new new, I wore out the warranty on that one.  Grin
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