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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Bad blood...... 03/06/15 at 03:46:29 What up with the Obama & Clinton's? I have always sensed a very strained relationship, but it appears Obama will not assist Hillary in her quest at taking his job. What's with the dems and emails anyway?
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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Bad blood...... Reply #1 - 03/06/15 at 05:57:35 The Clintons are almost republicans in their politics. Obama is almost socialist.
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Bad blood...... Reply #2 - 03/06/15 at 06:13:48 You're not following the playbill? It's time for a republican president so that the people feel like they have a decision. --Steve
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28418 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Bad blood...... Reply #3 - 03/06/15 at 08:07:36 raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 03:46:29: What's with the dems and emails anyway? What's with pub's and witch hunts?... ...
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Reply #4 - 03/06/15 at 10:22:52

First, diplomats should always use secure channels of communication. And those channels are always backed up as well.

The particularly troubling part of this that came to light is it wasn't an email address as in singular. It was a domain and multiple e-mail addresses were utilized.

Whatever they were doing they certainly wanted to make it much more difficult to cover their tracks.

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Reply #5 - 03/06/15 at 11:39:47

Trippah wrote on 03/06/15 at 05:57:35:

The Clintons are almost republicans in their politics. Obama is almost socialist.

I don't think most realize how accurate your description is.......

And that would include the Clinton's and Obama.

I have touched on faith/beliefs in recent post, and how it influences, or more to point, shapes a persons perceptions.

It is so easy to view the oppositions "wrongness" as evidenced by Bot, than to acknowledge our own bias, and willingness to over-look indiscretions and inconsistencies, of those (things) we have staked a claim/belief to.

Obama, I dare to say, does not even remotely see himself as trying to establish the failed policies of socialism ( as we know, been taught, about it ).
He sees his endeavors at trying to help those who are the underclass, etc, and not as empowering himself, or a government. That is a worthy, good thing.

I think all mankind has similar wants/needs from life, that being joy and happiness.
When you look outward for it, that is where the conflict enters.

Think of Dorthy....
That little ho had to really screw up peoples lives, even killing a few folk along the way, to come to the realization that what she was looking for she had the capacity to find all along.

And finally, some smart person had to be the first to utter such wonderful advice.....

Politics and religion are never discussed at the dinner table.

Its not the subject that is divisive , its the people moving their lips, and their disingenuous motivation, that cause the riff. Cool

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Reply #6 - 03/06/15 at 15:34:35

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Obama, . . . He sees his endeavors at trying to help those who are the underclass, etc, and not as empowering himself, or a government. . . .

I Completely disagree with that statement.

The, Facts, are, King Bama, has done EVERYTHING he can,
To make, HIS, (and Michael, ‘er Michelle’s) life, far, far, ABOVE,
everyone else’s, who PAYS, for their extravent life style, and extremely expensive vacations.
And EVERYTHING, he does, (supposedly for the ‘masses’) is done, ONLY, when it benefits him !

BTW. The name, ‘Michael’, is not a slur, it IS, what the current POTUS CALLED, his wife.
(Gee, wonder why the Press is not all over that one.
I think they would be, if it were a past POTUS.)

Screw the People,
Screw the Country,
Screw the Constitution.
King Bama, is ONLY, out for his self, and his, 'Buddies', ONLY.

It has been, PROVEN, time and time again.
By his actions.

A-Yep, Carter, will be handing over the trophy to Obama.

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Reply #7 - 03/06/15 at 17:19:40

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Obama, . . . He sees his endeavors at trying to help those who are the underclass, etc, and not as empowering himself, or a government. . . .

I Completely disagree with that statement.

The, Facts, are, King Bama, has done EVERYTHING he can,
To make, HIS, (and Michael, ‘er Michelle’s) life, far, far, ABOVE,
everyone else’s, who PAYS, for their extravent life style, and extremely expensive vacations.
And EVERYTHING, he does, (supposedly for the ‘masses’) is done, ONLY, when it benefits him !

Well, I think you're both mistaken.

Absolutely nothing about Obama makes any sense unless you view him and his actions from the premise that he is a "ringer" who appeared practically out of nowhere and is being run by persons and or groups whose objective is the destruction of the country that the United States once was. Starting from such a premise, everything that he's done makes perfect sense and has been remarkably successful.

The Clintons, on the other hand, are just your garden variety, self serving, corrupt political criminals.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Bad blood...... Reply #8 - 03/06/15 at 17:46:41 I was not saying Obama the person who he thinks he is...... I believe he is blind to the truth of who, what, and why he is.
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Reply #9 - 03/06/15 at 18:09:21

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 17:46:41:

I was not saying Obama the person who he thinks he is......
I believe he is blind to the truth of who, what, and why he is.

I think you could be right about that. But a puppet does not necessarily need self awareness. It is sufficient that whomever is pulling the strings knows what he is doing and why.

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Reply #10 - 03/06/15 at 18:20:43

oldNslow wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:09:21:

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 17:46:41:

I was not saying Obama the person who he thinks he is......
I believe he is blind to the truth of who, what, and why he is.

I think you could be right about that. But a puppet does not necessarily need self awareness. It is sufficient that whomever is pulling the strings knows what he is doing and why.

Yes, that has merit.
However, I must put myself in that category too.
In as such I have been swayed by the indoctrination of our schools, media, music, etc.
I would even extend that inducing to include patriotism, where I was told we are the best nation ever.

I beg to pardon.

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Reply #11 - 03/06/15 at 18:47:59

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:20:43:

oldNslow wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:09:21:

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 17:46:41:

I was not saying Obama the person who he thinks he is......
I believe he is blind to the truth of who, what, and why he is.

I think you could be right about that. But a puppet does not necessarily need self awareness. It is sufficient that whomever is pulling the strings knows what he is doing and why.

Yes, that has merit.
I must put myself in However, that category too.
In as such I have been swayed by the indoctrination of our schools, media, music, etc.
I would even extend that inducing to include patriotism, where I was told we are the best nation ever.

I beg to pardon.

All of us are, to some extent, indoctrinated, misguided, trapped in the paradigm of the times and the culture that we live in. But that's just being human. That's not at all the same thing as actively and willingly being used used as a tool by whomever is behind the curtain. That is what I believe Obama is.

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Reply #12 - 03/06/15 at 18:49:34

oldNslow wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:47:59:

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:20:43:

oldNslow wrote on 03/06/15 at 18:09:21:

raydawg wrote on 03/06/15 at 17:46:41:

I was not saying Obama the person who he thinks he is......
I believe he is blind to the truth of who, what, and why he is.

I think you could be right about that. But a puppet does not necessarily need self awareness. It is sufficient that whomever is pulling the strings knows what he is doing and why.

Yes, that has merit.
I must put myself in However, that category too.
In as such I have been swayed by the indoctrination of our schools, media, music, etc.
I would even extend that inducing to include patriotism, where I was told we are the best nation ever.

I beg to pardon.

All of us are, to some extent, indoctrinated, misguided, trapped in the paradigm of the times and the culture that we live in. But that's just being human. That's not at all the same thing as actively and willingly being used used as a tool by whomever is behind the curtain. That it what I believe Obama is.

Well said

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Reply #14 - 03/07/15 at 06:25:21

thumperclone wrote on 03/06/15 at 23:18:24:

im cornfused help me here guys puppet to who/what?

Not being flippant, but you gotta pull your own strings (to see).

Do we ask questions to find understanding, or to defend what we (think) we already know, so I (we) can prove you/others wrong?

I don't know, only you can answer your own questions honestly, if you seek honesty.....

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