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Radical new tech for 2015  ---  CES show
01/04/15 at 21:46:46
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/nvidia-tegra-x1-8-core-mobile-chip-maxwell-grap...

NVIDIA swings an 8 core Tegra X1 bat squarely at PC space.



"It’s a 64-bit, 8-core mobile processor with 256-core Maxwell graphics: the same graphics technology used in the desktop and notebook graphics chips NVIDIA introduced in 2014.

NVIDIA says the processor can handle 4K video playback at 60 Hz video in H.265 and VP9 formats, supports the same game engines as desktop chips, and offers twice the performance-per-watt of last year’s NVIDIA Tegra K1 processor.

Up until now the chip had been known by its code-name, Arista.

Among other devices, NVIDIA is positioning the Tegra X1 as a processor for in-vehicle systems with multiple displays (for entertainment, navigation, and vehicle information) thanks to a new in-car controller system called NVIDIA Drive CX which includes the Tegra X1 chip and software that allows car makers to customize their own solutions.

NVIDIA is also launching a more powerful system called the Drive PX which has 2 Tegra X1 chips that can work in parallel or as redundant processors.

The Drive PX is designed for self-driving cars or vehicles with advanced assisted driving technology. The system can support up to 12 HD cameras and can process 1.3 billion pixels per second to create a model of the environment around the car so that your vehicle knows where it is in position to other objects so it can plot a safe driving path."



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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/nvidia-announces-tegra-x1-soc-with-max...

Confusion exists based on the early press releases from Nvidia -- the press is getting confused in between the 8 core big little X1 version and the 16 core ?? 8 big and 8 little ?? PX version that will drive a car for you.

In any case, 2.3 teraflops out of a little board like this is some REALLY SIGNIFICANT processing power and Intel will have to fire their PR BS cannons at once,  immediately, lobbing some sort of BIG smelly brown murky vaporous "something" at it by this time tomorrow or folks might begin to question Intel's "technological leadership" again.


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OK, the gloves do indeed come off in 2015 -- this X1 one (1) teraflop superchip is exactly that, a superchip, no matter which variant is the real player for the use in question.  

The old DUAL CORE Tegra K1 ranked in between the Intel i-3 and i-5 powerwise and the old DUAL CORE K-1 was used as a laptop level chipset in several products, so this new 8 CORE big little X1 will pull it up into the top of the i5 to low i7 grouping when ranked power-wise.

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The PX version with 16 cores ?? 8 big and 8 little ?? is simply out there at 2.3 teraflops on a single small board which puts it in the Pacific Blue supercomputer era from calendar years 2000-2003.   Even the single chip X1 at "only" a teraflop ranks as beating the year 1999's best existing supercomputer.

If others do follow this Nvidia lead, then suddenly Apple has a whole crop of possible laptop chipsets out there for them to pick between for 2015-16 laptop/desktop use (or else they can go "one up" this Nvidia monster with an Apple A-X of their own design, in which case Intel is simply toast as far as Mac products go).

Intel has no current teraflop chipsets apart from their big fat mainframe/server multi-multi-chip w/multi-core server boards.   So, Nvidia has smacked Intel square in the forehead with this one -- and when ARM Holdings reacts with their Artemis/Maya products the race for PC space is on for real ......

Remember, Intel has not yet fully gelled their actual real Skylake 14nm design yet in any meaningful fashion ..... it too is still pretty much brown stinky vapor future talk at this point in time anyway.   Intel can still react, but they will throw their Apple Skylake deadline under the bus if they go for yet another redesign yet again.

so, Intel is being offered seriously strong competition from ARM now -- using 16/20nm tech that is still planar (no finFEET is needed) and that is still much much much cheaper to actually produce on older already owned lithography processes.

If this is ARM Holding's Artemis/Maya tech leaking out for the first time, then the next generation of ARM stuff is truly going to be some awesome PC level stuff.

....  didn't see that one coming, did you Intel ????
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Re: Radical new tech for 2015  ---  CES show
Reply #1 - 01/05/15 at 06:55:01
 
Self driving cars? .. you mean the google-cars at 25mph?

I am having trouble figuring out what these things will do on a car.
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Reply #2 - 01/05/15 at 07:14:38
 

I think Nvidia has gotten into a bind with their last year's K1 Denver CPU cores not really being Android standard cores functionally (and for them being way too expensive to boot).

Nvidia and Qualcomm have both swung over to using standard ARM CPU cores now, because they are less expensive to make than their old custom cores and the last two generations of ARM heavy hitters were/are still more powerful than any real uses actually required a CPU core set to be.

Nvidia has once again tried to make something way way more powerful than it needs to be -- and these new teraflop superchips will languish just like the previous two years worth of super chips from Nvidia have done due to a non-competitive high price.

It is bad that the only proposed real-world full use case for this superchip is controlling a self-driving car.   This signals to me that there really isn't any real world use for the new Nvidia superchips, really.  

Not unless they can make a PC or a Laptop really well (cheaper/better than Intel can).


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Coordinating GPS with lane control (by watching the paint lines on both sides with cameras,) a Google delivery vehicle can navigate through a town to deliver stuff without requiring a driver.    Open road rigs would be able to drive continuously, since there would be no required sleep breaks.  

Your children will see such stuff go into widespread use, we likely won't live that long as there are many safety and legal hurdles to go through before the first robot rigs hit the road.
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Re: Radical new tech for 2015  ---  CES show
Reply #3 - 01/05/15 at 11:59:40
 
http://liliputing.com/2015/01/intel-expands-broadwell-lineup-chips-notebooks-...

Intel comes through with their big announcement.   Haswell is replaced by a die shrink to Broadwell, same exact chip size and configuration (exact same ball grid array) but a 22% better graphics core and the CPU is run at 14nm and it yields a whopping 4% efficiency increase while running productivity apps.    In short, it is the EXACT SAME daughter board mounting a slightly smaller combined CPU/GPU chipset but still depending on separate motherboard components relative to the fully integrated ARM chipsets it competes against.



"While Intel says you should only expect about a 4 percent boost in productivity apps, the chip maker says Broadwell chips offer up to 22 percent better 3D graphics."

Wow, Intel finally makes it to 14nm and all they get is a 4% boost in performance (but they do put in a competitive graphics chip finally).   Intel does lose the fan finally, and battery life improves accordingly.

And they are using the term Cherry Trail again for a to be released mobile/tablet chipset which is to be 14nm and is promised to be equally innovative and astounding.

And the "$29 Sophia phones" are out from Microsoft now -- everyone bow down to the third world marketing prowess of Intel and Microsoft.

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/microsofts-nokia-215-29-internet-connected-phon...

The phone isn't a smart phone but it can get you on the internet, kinda.   And only for a very certain set of things that MS wants you to have.



"The phone has a 2.4 inch, 320 x 240 pixel display, a VGA camera, support a flashlight function, and support for FM radio and MP3 audio. It supports Bluetooth 3.0 for connecting a headset, and supports relatively slow 2G networks… but this is an entry-level phone that’s designed to allow people to make calls and get online in developing markets where price may be more important than speed.

The upshot is that the Nokia 215 has the kind of battery life that puts modern smartphones to shame. Microsoft says you should get up to 20 hours of talk time, 50 hours of MP3 playback time, or 29 days of standby time from the phone’s 1100mAh battery."

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Re: Radical new tech for 2015  ---  CES show
Reply #4 - 01/06/15 at 05:59:06
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/hands-hp-stream-mini-pavilion-mini-tiny-desktop...

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/hands-acer-revo-one-media-hub-pc.html



HP has contracted with Corning and Tupperware to make their new low cost computer cases now.   You can tell, because they just modified an old worn out bowl mold to make the new HP computer cases.

What is interesting is that this IS Indeed the next low to mid range HP Wintel desktop computer design and indeed it is completely cable-less now which should help make Serobot very happy.

Personally, I would want something a little flatter and squarer that maybe had a foot that you could snap on to put it on end rather than this particular Corning/Tupperware look.


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Not to be out-done, Acer has come out with their new breadmaker/toaster look PC which instead of a bowl of left-overs instead looks like a small breadmaker that transforms itself into a two slice toaster.

 




Guys, we know MS didn't want you to make them look like a Chromebox -- but really, guys, kitchen appliances and tupperware?

Oh, so you are going after the lady of the house as your new target market and you want her to be more comfortable using your brand new 2015 Wintel technology products?    

Get them to "blend in" into  her kitchen, I get it.

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Reply #5 - 01/07/15 at 09:57:15
 

Ah, the meat and potatoes of the show, the new affordable chipsets from Allwinner, Mediatek and Rockchip.

First, Rockchip -- who was supposed to be just a "waggle finger" of Intel by now but instead has come out with a series (3 in a row now) of new ARM based processors with nary an Intel bit to be seen in any of them.  

Yep, by Rockchip's own admission there was no desirable tech to be lifted from Intel at all -- so Rockchip has given up on Intel at this point.    Instead, Intel has paid/bribed Spreadtrum to build the funny not a smartphone chipset that Microsoft is using in their funny not a smartphone (using all ARM technology except an out of date baseband and an out of date radio chipset that was ancient Intel owned tech from something they bought a while back).  

No one is fooled by this situation at all, Intel and Microsoft have pretty much failed to gain any entry into smartphone space yet again and their foray into Chinese domestic tablets spent AT LEAST $100 PER TABLET ACTUALLY PRODUCED with the stuff actually produced sitting in warehouses mostly because the oriental people simply do not want Windows tablets and they find the Intel chipped Android devices to not be able to run some of their oriental softwares simply because Intel isn't really really adhering to the android standards on the hardware side.

In response to this growing reality Rockchip has come out with a 64 bit ARM based dual A53, a quad A53 and now an Octa A53 basically matching what Qualcomm and Allwinner have also discovered -- that the ARM A53 64 bit little chipset is stronger than the old A9 used to be, cheaper to produce and much faster and more powerful and  it sips much less power than that old A9 main-line chipset and supports MUCH better graphics.   A quad core and an octa core A53 do cover the entire gamut of current products and there is no real need for an 8 core big little unless you are going into a laptop format.

Allwinner's big news was that their newest 64 bit quad core A53 has come out in a $5 chipset.   This is the lowest cost phone and tablet capable 64 bit chipset out there.   Heck of it is that this new quite capable chipset is about the same cost as the Intel Spreadtrum abortion that is inside Microsoft's $29 dumb phone.

Mediatek's big news was a tiny tiny tiny android standard 64 bit chipset for wearables.   Their more standard sized news was a more powerful 64 bit big little that has 2 A57 and 2 A53 chipsets, intended to go into higher end phones and tablets.

Nothing new announced was anything less than full 64 bit stuff intended to run the new Android 5.0 operating system.  

There was no Intel based news out of the orient.   There was no Microsoft news other than the price supported little $29 not-a-smartphone for India.

There are no reported ripples in the entire changeover year's worth of ARM/Android/Lenaro implementation of 64 bit -- nobody screwed the pooch at all during the changeover year, not even Samsung.

The conversion of ARM 28nm lithography lines to ARM 16/20nm lines is ongoing at all of the fabs and the roll over from A7 to A53 is going along apace with it.

Intel is still not selling anything at all in the orient without putting at least a $20 bill taped to the top of it.   Intel shows no signs of getting real price competitive on production units, and the perennial Intel robbing of Peter to pay Paul has finally run aground with the last Intel stockholders meeting, resulting in another forced reorg and another VP head chopping at Intel (which has already taken place, BTW).

Looking now for any breaking news of another Intel layoff in 2015.

Microsoft isn't selling anything for much in mobile space unless it is the price supported $29 not quite dumb phones that are going into India.   Still no news if they are actually selling in India, BTW.

Win 10 is still a year away and is having issues of its own while slowly getting through the design process.   Win 8.1 is still Win 8.1 and that is what you have to take if you buy something Windowish the first half of this year.
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Reply #6 - 01/08/15 at 09:42:07
 

Well the Reely Beeg US CES Show is about over now and all the pundits who attended are now questioning if this is going to be the last one since NOTHING SIGNIFICANT was announced by any of the big players -- instead they had saved their major announcement stuff for the far eastern shows that take place later on in the year.

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Intel begins selling Linux computers direct from Chipzilla itself ......

http://www.zdnet.com/article/ces-2015-intel-introduces-compute-stick-with-ato...

As you read please note that Intel itself sees a $60 cost adder to having to put Windows on their little computer.    Windows isn't free -- it costs you additional hardware to run it in addition to the relatively high software cost bite.

Be amazed at the low low low levels that Intel is now willing to go to be "Intel inside" even just to move a chip or three.

Be amazed that Windows isn't necessary any more .... not even to Intel.

Microsoft is beginning to learn how to run their Windows 8.1 on ARM chipsets, lower end ARM chipsets to be more specific.  Microsoft has been forced to understand that Windows 8.1 is still too fat and porky to run well at all on these lower level processors, but Microsoft is learning more about the topic -- and also more about what Oriental customers want and like in an OS.   I suspect some of the changes to move into Win 10 are based upon this learning.  

Long term MS cannot just insist on an Intel CISC processor as they have in the past.   MS has to CHANGE to adapt to ARM standard components in order to survive and grow in the Oriental markets.

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Reply #7 - 01/11/15 at 07:43:46
 

What is bleeding through from listening to the show people is about how the Oriental device producers tend to think about operating systems .....


Linux -- obsolete old operating system that is only used on older TV sticks

Windows -- cranky complex operating system only used for old proprietary softwares (can be politically incorrect at times)

iOS -- Nice, but watch out as it goes obsolete on you every four years or so

ChromeOS -- modern operating system, but we don't like to use Google in China (it is politically incorrect now and can get you in trouble)

Pure Android (Google based)  see ChromeOS above

Oriental Android  -- a modern operating system that is carefully tuned for each device by the device maker and is NEVER upgraded, the device is simply run into the dirt and replaced when needed.


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Apple Products are highly regarded and frequently imitated for look and feel.   Windows Products, not so much.  

Bread and butter however is a local Android, of the various oriental flavors as tweeked by the device makers.

Why is this important?

It gives you a clue as to what happens in the future.   What the Oriental guys do now will come to America in about 6 months from now, after they fill up the Oriental Pipeline completely and have satisfied all local demand.

To keep the same size, give or take a bit, Microsoft MUST gain a presence in the Oriental Pipeline.   Right now they are giving Win 8.1 away for free along with some "technology support money" to try to do this, intending to get them some market share in the Orient so as to milk some money out of later on with the yearly charges for Win 10.    

However, the current Windows software runs like dog shite on ARM hardware (as in not really well at all) and the Intel supported CISC based chipsets are going to switch over to Broadwell and most of the Intel "contra revenue" price supports will be ended by Intel's shareholders going into next year.  

Soon Intel will begin to support ARM as their primary market for the smaller chipsets (and not so much the CISC stuff any more) as ARM is popular in the orient and a great deal more Android devices will be sold than any MS devices.  

Intel will become an out and out ARM supplier on the low end and drop most of their own low end CISC designs starting by the end of next year.

This changeover will start next year but will not be a complete and total deal IF AND ONLY IF MS DOES A REALLY REALLY GOOD COMMANDING JOB ON WIN 10.   If Win 10 is a flop, MS influence starts sunsetting starting this year.    If Win 10 is good, MS struggles on .....

Microsoft will not disappear quickly as they can milk their installed base in the USA for the next 10 years to jest barely keep on keeping on.   Surely as a smaller, more tightly focused company MS can do up a decent OS given 2-3 more years to do it in.

Intel however has to make up new chipsets continuously and SELL THEM AT A PROFIT to stay in business for the next 10 years.   Intel does not get to milk their old installed base for anything.

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