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Reply #15 - 10/23/14 at 01:03:44
 
Well, that clack is not okay, you've got to not even almost lug it.
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Reply #16 - 10/23/14 at 05:17:21
 
One of the things that happens when you "crack" open the throttle, is that the mixture goes a bit lean.  When the throttle is closed the fuel flow to the engine is through the pilot circuit as the engine idles, and when you crack open the throttle the fuel flow needs to come from the needle jet and pilot jet circuit....and it doesn't happen instantly.

So when you crack open the throttle too quickly - the mixture goes lean and it can cause detonation as a lean fuel mixture can "explode" rather than go through a smooth controlled burn.

So.....stop cracking open the throttle!  This is not a sport bike and should not be ridden like one!  You should add throttle at a much slower rate for this big single.  As the rpm's increase you can roll on full throttle......full throttle should not be used at low rpm's.  If you feel the engine lugging and shaking as it pulls - you need a lower gear or less throttle.

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Reply #17 - 10/23/14 at 07:26:33
 
Unless youve ridden a new tight engined one, you dont know whats happening on his.. Ive been there and It changes over time, Just start from a stop at a higher RPM and pull away gently, accelerate gently,, Itll stop doin that,, But He IS right,, I could make mine clack even after it was broken in,, Dont Lug that motor,,
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Reply #18 - 10/23/14 at 17:37:15
 
I don't jump to full throttle, it seemed only about 1/4 throttle when it happened. Definitely no where near 1/2 throttle. I don't treat it like a sport bike. My last bike was a 4cyl 600cc. I know this isn't that. I have the idle set to a smooth, "quick" idle. It does not lope. I'll take your advice justin o guy and just give it time. Also gonna check the valves at 1000 to see what they look like.

Thank you to everyone. If anyone else has advice it would be appreciated as well.

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Reply #19 - 10/23/14 at 18:33:14
 
Your idle speed sounded a little low to me.
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Reply #20 - 10/23/14 at 19:36:38
 
I went and listened. I don't know for sure, but I Do know it won't hurt to jack up the idle a little. Go ahead and keep it spinning,
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Reply #21 - 10/24/14 at 12:07:37
 
UPDATE: Now that I have noticed the clack I have been watching and listening for it. I DID NOT hear it today until after the bike was good n hot. I rode about 8 miles just now, all city, with a bunch of stop lights. Could not forcefully make it clack until the very end of the ride. So whatever is happening, only happens when it is hot.

I'm gonna change the oil and check the valves at 1000miles. Just for precautionary purposes.

About my idle, "My Suzuki S40 Savage idle speed: http://youtu.be/PDPYgNC-DlM"

Just made that video today. The only reason I don't like having the idle too high, is because heat can get pretty brutal in Austin and I find myself regularly sitting in traffic or at stop lights for more than 5 minutes and don't want it to overheat too quickly. I just don't want it to lope. Justin o guy, I see you're from Dallas area so I know you can relate on the heat. I'm not familiar with yall's traffic though.

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Reply #22 - 10/24/14 at 12:40:14
 
I'm 1/2 way (ish) between Dallas and Shreveport,, Longview area.
So far,nobody has ever seen engine or clutch problems caused by running
Shell Rotella T, it's about $13.00 ,available at Tractor Supply,Wal-Mart,
It's cheap and it's good..
As long as it's idling at 1,000 RPM or better, you won't wreck the head because the cam isn't getting enough oil.. Provided the oil you're using isn't thin and failing to maintain a film.
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Reply #23 - 10/24/14 at 13:03:15
 
I have Yamalube in it right now. I was gonna change it one more time with Yamalube then switch over. Only because I have half the jug left of oil.

I plan on using Shell Rotella T there after forever. Unless you think it would be best to use that immediately at the 1000mi oil change.
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Reply #24 - 10/27/14 at 11:52:17
 
savskat, I'm down here in San Antonio.  If you want to meet somewhere in the middle some Sat or Sun, I could take a listen to your bike, go for a ride on some back roads, chew on some lunch, have a barley pop, what ever.  I'm out riding just about every Sat and Sun.
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Reply #25 - 10/27/14 at 20:04:42
 
I'd put the Rotella T in it and see if you notice a difference.. You can always use the Yammy lube later.
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Reply #26 - 10/27/14 at 20:29:55
 
Youz_guys has the same idea that I do.  I live in Killeen.  If you want to meet up sometime, go for a ride, talk about bikes, grab a burger or something just hit me up with a pm.  I'd love to go ride around Lake Travis, maybe hit up 2769.  There are lots of roads around Austin that I've wanted to cruise. Cool

FWIW, your idle sounds nice.  As for your "clack:"  I've previously played around doing 30mph in 5th gear, just seeing how the engine does under that load and giving it lots of throttle.  It kinda makes that same sound if I crack WOT.  If I had to guess without seeing it in person, I'd think it's related to the initial low idle and giving it throttle faster than the engine wants it.  I'd assume that this will change over the next few hundred miles.  Just my $0.02, YMMV
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Reply #27 - 11/04/14 at 09:50:47
 
Hello everyone, sorry, been away from the forum this past week. youzguys & HondaLavis, I would totally be down for a meetup and cruise. Wish I had seen this before this weekend, just went on a ride with a new group of 10 bikers through the Hill Country on Sunday. It's always nice meeting new bikers. I'll shoot y'all a PM.

On the note of the Clack noise. Checked the valves at 1200 miles with the help of my motorcycle mechanic and valves all came out to .005 with slight drag on the gauge. I let him listen to the noise and he said "These engines just do that" and reassured me there wasn't any real concern. He said it was a rod making the noise. So I'm just gonna take everyone's advice and do my best to not let the engine make that noise and otherwise just ride it.

I am gonna put Rotella T in there once I get the chance to change the oil.

Thanks again for everyone's help.  Cheesy
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