While WE produce and ship oil, just to import more,, anyone else get a big "Huhh? moment outta that?

You see the destruction of oil prices that Could have happened,I get that. I was a mechanic,making a fair living when oil went through the floor.. Just as a nation using"monoculture"farming theory is at risk of famine,so a nation so dependent on a single thing is not a well designed economy. The cronyism that got us here is to blame. Had the mavericks been allowed to run, no Nafta, follow the law,control immigration,we would have a Real economy.. not this dying hurrah. America Can't have that technology... Agenda 21 won't allow it. Our Debt to China may have been a consideration in the patent office. Orr,we can all go on believing that the condition of the nation is just the culmination of a crazy series of mistakes and bad judgment.... But, if we are to believe that,wouldn't the law of averages have seen at least a FEW mistakes that DID NOT screw US?

More than "Rossi risks being Tesla'd", I'd say that, unless a "fairy godmother" steps in, he risks being "Meucci'd".

Meucci was an Italian inventor who figured out a way to "send voice over telegraph".
Unfortunately, he did not have the economic means to develop a working prototype and patent it.
He traveled across Europe but never found a sponsor (sounds like Columbus, huh?)
He then traveled to the US, where he found a job with Alexander Graham Bell...
...who, miraculously, patented the telephone the very next year !

Ask worldwide, and other than Italy and very few other Countries, everybody will tell you the telephone was invented by A.G.Bell.
The truth is Bell was the first to market the device.
As you often hear, "show me the money".

If it is true that China and Sweden are already hot on LENR, then the US may have already lost the race.
China is China, with 1bn++ population and the world's largest growing economy.
Sweden is EU, and a patent filed in Sweden is valid throughout the EU.
So those two markets are already "booked".
Africa is also very much in the hands of China.
What is left ?
South America, Australia and ...   ...   ...   ... not much, eh ?

I better read that Elforsk paper and see my investment manager...  
I just have to scrounge up $8.99 to sign up to ScribD...

Well, so far the only information on "total life" is that commercial steam generator systems will benefit from having their cores recharged every 2 years for maximum output.

Here are three (3) of the "larger" sized bare cores that are inside each of those squarish looking thermal blanket things inside that 20 foot shipping container.   There are 150 of these babies in 20 foot container making steam 24 hours a day for 2 years.

You turn 8 bolts, pull the cartridge, stick in another one with a new gasket and then ship the mostly used up cores back for refurbishment.

A similar system is planned for the commercial heating plants, using easy access replaceable cores.

Good news is that the E-Cat tech will only get better and better over time.  

After the secrecy ends cores could be designed to be vertical, with you pulling a cover, pulling the exciter and heater out of the powder mass, vacuuming out tall he loose powder from the core recess, sticking the heater and exciter back into place and  pouring in fresh new powder around the electrics through a charging hole yourself.    Keeping the air out is the challenge in all of this, of course.

Some bright boy will come up with a wand with a hydrogen gas "air gun" in the center and a hydrogen gas vacuum tube around that which can blow/suck out all of the old powder and blow in the fresh powder without ever letting any air get into the system at all.  

Air is bad, btw, it interrupts the reaction, causes oxidation of the nickel powder and does not participate in the positive heating results at all.   The cores sit under 30 psi of hydrogen gas while in use to feed the reaction and to keep the air out by positive pressure.

Something new, some very well used E-Cat cores are showing 11% copper and 10% iron content from what supposedly started out as 100% nickel powder.   Apparently the transformation process can go up one more than one element if given enough excitement, time and temperature.   Heat output goes up when this starts to happen, but "erratic" becomes more of an issue as well.

As understanding and control of this next level reaction gets better, look for the cores to suddenly start lasting 3-4 years or longer.

Now, what is neat is that a custom built (glass) Brillouin type tall glass air column system could sort out the used mixed powders into nickle/copper/iron fairly quickly so the unreacted pure nickel powder can go right back into use.  The copper/iron reacted granules can be sorted magnetically very quickly.    

In all cases the used powder could be re-refined or it could be put directly into batches of stainless steel production as nickel and copper are a normal alloying element of stainless steel.




I just figured out the way to safely reuse/dispose of all the waste products from LENR -- where is my patent and my 11 million dollars?

They got iron without meaning to, so logically with the right exciter you might be able to go higher, but you HAVE to start with some high melting point metals and not hit a low melting point metal on the path to where you are going.

Lead ain't one.   Forget it.   Tungsten is a better possibility but you'd need to run the reaction up near its melting point and guess what, what are you going to put it inside that won''t melt?  Once again, forget it.

  Rossi may be using the iron dust as a moderator material to calm out his littler cores to keep them from getting too excited and melting down.   It would also catch and trap any oxygen that got into the core by accident.

I think Pons and Martin and company are owed an apology from those who trashed them so very badly 28 years ago.

Rossi is owed a patent, limited to just his Nickel/Copper mixture using his packing and igniter system and the general Nobel glory should be shared by anyone who was working with him in Italy at the same time he got it to working.    As scientists, they used to share ideas freely back and forth before it got sorta buisnesslike and got all bound up in dollars and patents.

Brillouin has a different system, they should be granted a nickle/copper patent on their hydrogen gas flow float system that pertains to their gas lifted and agitated "compression wave column" system only.   Brillouin has patents already on their exciter system, and that is good and the way it should work.   Patent how yours is different and better.

Either the US gov relearns how to GET OUT OF THE WAY or everyone should move their development thrust to Sweden or China, who are the countries who currently don't get in the way of progress on something new like LENR.

THE FIRST ONE OF THE THIRD SERIES OF PURE SCIENTIFIC VERIFICATION REPORTS

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"In summary, the performance of the E-Cat reactor is remarkable. We have a device giving heat energy compatible with nuclear transformations, but it operates at low energy and gives neither nuclear radioactive waste nor emits radiation. From basic general knowledge in nuclear physics this should not be possible.  Nevertheless we have to relate to the fact that the experimental results from our test show heat production  beyond chemical burning, and that the E-Cat fuel undergoes nuclear transformations."


Well, it is 53 pages long and exhaustively scientific (tough to read).   It is clear to see the base material changes going right on up the isotopic scales for nickel but the reaction stopped short of making copper.   Trace elements present in the starting mix WERE NOT PRESENT IN THE ASH, so it is obvious the trace elements are going somewhere and do not remain in the leftovers of the process.

Two things were intended here, first, to show in a scientific fashion that E-cats perform isotropic transformations and release copious heat energy in doing so which is the requirement of the US Patent Office.   Second intention was to protect the full bore Rossi process from any detailed disclosure.

It will be interesting to see what nits are picked over this one.  

First nit I find is that they stopped it short of making any copper, which is a key element in Rossi's stated process.   This is a big disappointment to my eyes.

Second nit is that IT ISN'T ROSSI'S NORMAL COMMERCIAL PROCESS, it is a solid sealed tube with lithium hydroxide (for hydrogen production) and nickel powder showing that terahertz excitement and heat release a magnitude more transformation heat than can be accounted for.   The experiment is successful at doing showing this excess heat production and it clearly show the nickel isotopes marching on up the transformation ladder.   It also showed that a replaceable solid sealed core system is viable commercially, with the lithium hydroxide providing the needed hydrogen.

Third nit (and this is a big one) is that NO COPPER WAS FORMED in this small scale sealed system -- so it isn't operating nearly as "energetically" as Rossi's previous E-Cat core systems have done.

This small scale exercise also made it clear that although Rossi is still protecting his key trade secrets he can show the E-Cat isotropic ladder transformation effects using just plain nickel powder with some lithium hydroxide to provide the hydrogen atoms.

The question remaining is it enough so to get the Patent Office satisfied with their current "peer review" technical objections?


But, increasingly, it also becomes obvious that the US Patent Office isn't interested in granting this patent for whatever non-business, non-scientific political reasons they may really have.    Test results like this one will not change that attitude, I do not think.

It is also becoming increasingly unimportant that the USPO get off their butts and do their job as the US Patent Office isn't the whole world and there are other patent offices in other countries that are not so unresponsive.   Rossi/E-Cat and Godes/Brillouin ARE being granted patents in other countries using the same proofs and evidence that are and have been rejected in the past by the USPO.

Now, given a clear picture of the first stages of nuclear transformation, can the scientific community REPEAT this relatively simple experiment, verify the isotopic shift that was shown and come up with a theory as to what happening internally inside those nickel powder granules?

This isn't Rossi's job as entrepreneur,  his job is to show that the thing works and to package it in a fashion that is marketable.    He has done so.  

Folks getting all tied up in their knickers over the disruption of all their pet nuclear theories is all well and good.  That is their career and professional life after all and their world just changed on them all over again.   We understand that they are upset by all of this mental disruption by a person they don't respect for very much.

So, go talk to Godes at Brillouin about his current theory if you want Theory.   Him you respect well enough to talk to.  Argue loudly all you want if that makes you happy, but you can go argue against Brillouin's theory but you can never see what actually happens inside these E-Cat cores --- you can only derive it bit by bit by experimentation.

Meanwhile Rossi is commercializing the idea and prototyping large heavy duty steam production systems, commercial sized heat plant cores and now portable home heating cores.

                           

Some folks are going to view this test as a "failure" as it did not show the high energetic copper transformation.   It wasn't a high energy run.  They do have to acknowledge all the 3.6x extra energy produced and the isotopic transformations of the nickel powder however.   They also have to acknowledge that Rossi can fuel his cheap ceramic cores with totally sealed solid materials that make his cores a plug in replacement and toss it in the trash non-hazardous commercial ready system.

A used up florescent light tube is more hazardous than what was shown with this test system.

This new tiny very simple solid lithium hydroxide hydrogen gas producing E-Cat core that was just tested by the scientists -- does it represent a prospective simple safe portable electrical home room heater ???   Rossi submitted this particular core for scientific peer review for a reason, so just what commercial aspect does it cover?

What is new about this mini-core is the hydrogen gas required by the reaction is produced inside the reactor by breakdown of lithium hydride powder releasing the hydrogen gas -- this core is NOT supplied with hydrogen gas but is completely self contained.

Next item of interest is the fact that this ECAT is made completely out of cheap ceramic material -- the same material is used in toilet bowls.  The tube is made of die extruded ceramic.  The end caps have the lead wires cast in place and then they're glued to the tube using ceramic cement after the powder is loaded.   The ceramic cement cures out when the unit is first turned on, making a hydrogen tight unit.   This is a very heat resistant very cheap "use it and throw it away" assembly.

So far in the last 3 months we have seen a substantial sized hydrogen gas fed multi-tube shielded commercial heater furnace core, a VERY LARGE hydrogen gas fed steam generator core and now a tiny little self-contained (solid lithium hydroxide hydrogen supply) core that maybe might be suitable for a portable room heater?

It is obvious that Industrial Heat LLC and Rossi are commercializing the E-Cat idea and are rolling forward with marketing plans and actual prototype products in countries that have granted him patents.

And we still don't know how long these things will last before requiring servicing or replacement.

Sounding more and more like steam driven vehicles are a "thing of the future", instead of the past.

Lots of good info.... lets hope someone in our land of plenty can figure out how to "almost" duplicate this process good enough to "make it work" for our good citizens.

I like the steam engine idea bouncing around in my head..... if on "low" that thing produced 1400 degree heat...  with "half a hair dryer" power load.... it could actually produce propulsion, which in turn could charge a battery that would "start" it.

I imagine there are already patents being written for it as I type.