All that aside,LOOK at how the"facts" have been manipulated. They KNEW the cop was injured. Why was that not stated? Don't you think that would have calmed some people? Why let people think the cop executed him when the facts don't support it? Why did it take more than a day for the medical examiner to say"All entry wounds are from the front". It LOOKS like someone is looking for a way to justify declaring martial law. I don't think they will get there this time,but the attitudes of the people and the cops have been impacted by this. Next time we have such an event,we may get that Flash Point.

Thank you , all.

My asking was not to "throw gasoline onto the fire" but because EU news correspondents in the US will often "copy&paste" whatever their agency believes is the piece of news best suited to draw listeners' attention and to raise the audience...
...so much for "the facts, and nothing but the hard facts"  

My comment on "LEOs being issued full auto" was actually a little sarcastic, but only "politely so", i.e. it was a rhetorical question the obvious answer being "of course not, silly!"

One fact which I learn thanks to you is that Mr. Brown was 300+lbs and 6'4" - not only XXXL size by EU standards but simply NOT explained to EU public.

As for "LEOs are not trained to shoot in the leg but to the threat"... I beg to differ.
Given that any police TV serial drama clearly reflects the customs and habits of the times, i.e. "Dragnet", "Adam 12", "Hill Street Blues", or even the original "Hawaii 5-0"...
...LEOs in those days would often try to negotiate their way out of a haphazard situation, or incapacitate the felon, long before going Gung Ho on him/her.

I saw a clip on Facebook where a guy is shot in cold blood (probably taken from a US Newscats) simply for talking back and refusing to kneel... he was unarmed and in no position to harm the LEOs... he was simply provoking them, and they allowed themselves to be provoked.

I personally find it alarming when two LEOs in the middle of a street gun down a "felon" for "resistance" when all there is is... talkback...

As for the situation, may I say that, with better communication skills (Public Affairs, anyone? ) the situation would have been under control.

I'm sincerely sorry all this is happening.

Thank you for clearing some facts from hearsay and fiction.

Pesci,IF it's true,and a lie here will be soon discovered AND destroy what confidence is left in the cops,Brown had punched one of the cops so hard as to fracture the bones around his eye. Now,If that's true,and I expect it is,WHY did they NOT let that information Out on day one? That would have made the shooting a lot more reasonable. It would have made it a lot easier to justify to the community. But they sat on that and let,well,threw gas on the fire with their heavy handedness,and Caused the demonstration to get out of control. There are signs of agents provocateur,throwing bricks at cops from inside the demonstrators lines. One reporter stated that he Found a box of Molotov cocktails and reported it to the cops,only to be ignored. I Stand by my point that there is an effort to magnify this event to Show the people that they NEED a bigger,stronger,more heavily armed police force in order to"Keep them safe".

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Google up the ACTUAL training protocols for any US police agency - local, state or federal   - with regard to the use of deadly force, and you will see that the statement above is utter nonsense. Or are you just being sarcastic again?

Here's a good place to start:
http://www.forcescience.org/morrison.pdf

But who will look at the questions I've posted and step back and think about the points I've made?

As if you would accept the source? Why,why didn't YOU TELL US about the cops injuries? You sat there and allowed everyone to believe what was being said and DID NOTHING..  You're either a liar or an not a very nice person. YOU tell me which.

I didn't say Not a very nice person.. I said A55HOLE..

And you didn't bother to counter information spread by a media that has been SHOWN to be liars and just OFFER that Local Information that contradicted the national media? You could have EASILY just stated you'd heard it on local media,yet it wasn't to be seen on National media and Let US consider it...
Where I got my information was the radio,not everything in the world has a link.

It used to be that cops did negotiate in armed situations and frequently succeeded. In Maine they haven't for the last 20 years. They shoot first, confront close up, yell, demand, etc. -Almost like escalating a situation purposefully so they will have an excuse to shoot. When I lived in Mass, the local and state cops closed a couple of streets down in my neighborhood. A guy was holed up in his house with a gun. His girlfriend had run from the house and called the cops. For seven hours the cops were there, talking and waiting, No confrontation. The guy -who knows maybe sobered up, gave up his gun and came out. No one was shot, no one hurt. No tragedy. The cops knew this guy- petty theft, drugs etc.. -Not a community favorite. They didn't shoot him.
Cops are different today, trigger happy and militarized. They are becoming brutal and we are turning into a police state/country. Look at the news - this is happening all over. Fergurson is just an example of the police state at work messing with its citizens.