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Reply #15 - 08/19/14 at 18:00:03
 
Dude.......you miss the forest through the trees.

You can push back, get involved, etc, yada, yada, yada.....

And pretend you make a difference by being vocal.

Fact is you are on the same bus with all those you claim are against you, your ideas, and beliefs, and fail to see who is driving (the bus) cuz you is too busy arguing.

How do you change people, by being a person who they want to emulate...... sorta like lead by example.

Not with envy, or other trappings, but real HONEST caring and compassion, and concern.....
In other words, one who puts others first as in servant-hood, kinda like that Jesus dude......

But again, if being spoon fed a media diet is your favorite feast, by all means, eat till your full.........

I hope its working for you amigo.

Just thought I would try and perhaps put my remarks in context, but sumtin tells me you read what you wanna hear anywaz. Carry on.

Edit: BTW, don't have TV, haven't for over a decade, go to movies rarely. Eat pizza, and I lived most my life without my savage, darn....
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Reply #16 - 08/20/14 at 08:42:37
 
Whatever Mr. Brown was, the cop was not hired to be a judge and executioner.
So the guy starts to run away- no excuse for shooting him.
I see the problem is the cop- too much "force".
It is no wonder that local people hit the streets. The rioting is predictable when you have cops that shoot readily, then turn to riot gear and teargas -while things were still peaceful.
-A matter of living up to expectations. Good luck backing it down again.

A few years ago the issue of arresting afro-americans was in the news in this state, so they decided to keep records with details of arrests. These records show there are a disproportionate number of afro-americans being arrested.
Glad I don't live in that climate.
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Reply #17 - 08/20/14 at 09:31:55
 
Well,TC,that's how I've been feeling,but dangittt,New information keeps leaking out,conflicting information,NOW it seems that he was shot in the front,with no entry wounds in the back. It's not good the way the "Facts"
have been drizzled out,and changing as time goes on. Someone will surely apologize for it and expect people to accept it as reasonable,but I don't. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to believe that they didn't KNOW what happened at least in a day. For the facts to be changing for a week? No,no,no,not acceptable. I believed that they tried to create a race war with the Trayvon Martin thing,but the People wouldn't get agitated enough. Look at the escalation HERE,if their goal is peace,they sure are going about achieving that goal in a strange way.
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Reply #18 - 08/20/14 at 09:32:39
 
Your response typifies part of the problem.  You're saying the guy was running away, but more and more evidence as it trickles in points to the fact that he was running towards the officer.  The police department released medical reports on the officer and he has a broken eyesocket. The initial autopsy reports show all the bullets were from the front.

The entire hands up don't shoot fiasco is going to turn out to be just that, a big giant fiasco.  It probably never happened, but let's wait and see what facts come out after the grand jury hears  the evidence, which is going on right now.  Think back on all the cases just like this one where, as time has gone by, the reality of what happened did not match what we were first told.

And when you say such nonsense like cops that shoot readily, that is such bull$h1t it's beyond belief. That implies they are just running around willy-nilly like shooting at will. Why don't you try examining the record to find out how often cops in St. Louis shoot anyone, including black people.

Interestingly enough it happened yesterday when a man with a knife charged directly at police officers. They shot and killed him. There was no rioting. Do you know what the difference was? There was no idiot like the guy that was with this Michael Brown character who claimed Brown had his hands up and was surrendering. I'm going to bet right now that was a complete and utter lie. This whole thing might boil down to that one fool opening his mouth trying to cover his ass.

Yet you, perhaps with a case of white guilt, will go ahead and repeat that as true. So go ahead stand up right now put your hands up and say hands up don't shoot. Maybe it'll make you feel better.
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Reply #19 - 08/20/14 at 10:11:31
 
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These records show there are a disproportionate number of afro-americans being arrested.


Which likely only means that a disproportionate number of afro-americans are committing crimes. Unless of course you are implying that the cops are out arresting innocent black guys just because they are black.
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Reply #20 - 08/20/14 at 10:40:37
 
a disproportionate number of cars traveling over the speed limit get tickets.....
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Reply #21 - 08/20/14 at 10:42:45
 
No one is trying to create a race war. Jackson; Sharpton etc.... milk it for all it's worth and know another circumstance will happen in a couple of months they can exploit as well, but there is no effort by some secret government group to create a race war.
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Reply #22 - 08/20/14 at 12:37:07
 
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think that such a war is the objective of some of the outsiders who have inserted themselves into this mess. The New Black Panthers for example. Almost everyone who's been arrested in the past day or so has been from somewhere other than Ferguson. I don't think "justice", however you define it, is very much a part of a lot of those folks agenda. The worse things get, the better some of these fringe groups  like it.
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Reply #23 - 08/20/14 at 13:26:17
 
when Jog says someone is trying to create a race war; it doesn't mean what you're talking about. I agree with your point, there are some individuals and small, meaningless groups who are trying to stir the pot. The New Black Panthers for example, but again, Jog is referring to some kind of World Order organized and ran in secret by a small group in some nondescript castle in Europe somewhere.....  like a scene from Eyes Wide Shut...without the porn.
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Reply #24 - 08/20/14 at 15:46:24
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/14 at 13:26:17:
when Jog says someone is trying to create a race war; it doesn't mean what you're talking about. I agree with your point, there are some individuals and small, meaningless groups who are trying to stir the pot. The New Black Panthers for example, but again, Jog is referring to some kind of World Order organized and ran in secret by a small group in some nondescript castle in Europe somewhere.....  like a scene from Eyes Wide Shut...without the porn.


Understood. But when one of these incidents finally does go really sideways, it isn't going to matter to everyone caught in the crossfire whether some mysterious conspiracy lit the fuse or just some a**hole like Sharpton. Sooner or later the lid's going to blow off and it isn't going to be pretty. Ironically it's going to be especially ugly for the blacks . A lot of them are so pissed of at the whites whom they perceive as their oppressors, that they can't see the forest for the trees. They depend for darn near everything on those same white folks that they have been taught to hate.
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Reply #25 - 08/20/14 at 16:01:46
 
That "lid"  just might be when the cop isn't charged with murder or even manslaughter. if the reports of him having a broken eye and that his gun was fired in his car turn out to be true, then a jury isn't likely to convict him. Look at Zimmerman case; when it was know he was having his head pounded against the sideway, everything changed. Same thing here. If this Mike Brown kid was huge and running full speed, a couple shots to the arm weren't going to stop him.

My city's gonna get really interesting then.....

Funny story: we've got a rich little private university in my suburb. Wife drove by last night and called me laughing. they were having their own little Ferguson support rally and she's was cracking up looking at rich white girls going to a 50K a year private school on daddy's dollar carrying signs that said "Stand up to Power".   She wanted to pull over and say "oh honey...... you are the Power."
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Reply #26 - 08/20/14 at 16:32:35
 
NOW the"facts"include the cop with a busted eyeball orbit. Either THAT'S a lie OR they withheld that little detail.IF it's true,then Why did they keep that quiet?
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Reply #27 - 08/20/14 at 17:08:05
 
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Well, that's why Holder is in town. He's going to twist whatever arms he needs to to make sure the cop is indicted. What you've got in a nutshell is the chief law enforcement officer of the US openly and deliberately planning to interfere with a Grand Jury.

Hell, maybe the cop should be charged. I don't know, and neither does anyone else at this point. But considering Holder's track record when it comes to racial questions I'm not exactly convinced that we're going to get an impartial decision.
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Reply #28 - 08/21/14 at 01:43:54
 
Considering European news is also covering this issue and the rioting...

...may I ask a question or two, in order to ascertain a few facts :

1. Are LEOs in the area equipped with pepper spray ?

2. Are LEOs equipped wirh a baton ?

3. Are LEOs in the area equipped with a taser ?

4. Are the handguns issued to LEOs in the area set on full-auto mode only ?

Because the one thing which is difficult to understand to the "Plain Joe" guy here in Europe , is ...

...why didn't the LEO spray the guy, or use the baton to defend himself from Mr. Brown ?
(considering Mr. Brown was unarmed, the most bodily damage he could have caused was a slap in the face or a black eye at worst)

... why didn't the LEO use the taser to immobilize Mr. Brown from a distance ?

... having decided to DRAW... why didn't the LEO fire the famous warning shot in the air (as is common protocol here in Europe) or shoot him once in the leg to drop him ?
The four shots in the arm show that Mr. Brown was trying to defend himself, it is an instinctive gesture to cover oneself with the arm(s), hence, the LEO fired at Mr. Brown at least 5 times too many.

All the evidence we are fed through the news say the LEO, black eye or no black eye, killed Mr. Brown through ruthless violence, going well beyond any acceptable and necessary force.

That said, my own personal experience in the US (1968 - 1973 as a schoolboy in Virginia, and as a regular visitor twice/year from 2003/2011 shows America is inherently a more violent society than anywhere in Europe.
Fights among schoolkids are egged, confrontations are provoked and almost encouraged, and people are educated to "take things into their own hands", which often sparks family feuds... not to mention neighborhood gangs...

Even in stereotyped mafia-ridden Sicily things aren't as violent as in some parts of the US... Lips Sealed

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Reply #29 - 08/21/14 at 05:07:16
 
1. Pepper spray - probably, but I don't know for sure
2. Same as above
3. Same as above
4. No police agency that I'm aware of is issued Full -auto handguns. They are semi- auto. One round fired for each pull of the trigger. In fact full auto handguns, while they do exist, are pretty uncommon.

The initial confrontation has been reported to have been a struggle for the officers' gun. There are reports that it was fired at least once inside the car.It isn't clear who fired that shot. The policeman was still seated in the car at that time and brown was either leaning in the window or the door.The cop may not have been able to access any of the less-lethal alternatives that he may have been carrying.

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having decided to DRAW... why didn't the LEO fire the famous warning shot in the air (as is common protocol here in Europe) or shoot him once in the leg to drop him ?
The four shots in the arm show that Mr. Brown was trying to defend himself, it is an instinctive gesture to cover oneself with the arm(s), hence, the LEO fired at Mr. Brown at least 5 times too many.


Police in this country do not fire warning shots into the air. Nor do they shoot to wound - in the leg, for example. They are trained to fire at the threat, and to keep firing until the threat is stopped. regardless of how many shots that requires.
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