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Re: ARM 64 bit wave starts .... now
Reply #15 - 07/19/14 at 07:39:32
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/07/volkspc-mini-pc-run-android-debian-linux-simult...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc0NDQ


VolksPC mini PC runs Android and Debian Linux simultaneously


I mentioned waiting for the next type of open source "general purpose" OS earlier, wondering when it was going to appear ....

(if Google was finally going to put their two pieces together or if someone was going to have to do it for them,  in other words).

To prove it is certainly possible to put it together with the pieces that are already sitting there on the shelves at the Linaro Grocery Store, here are some German Raspberry Pi enthusiasts that are showing everybody that the trick will work, and it will run well even on a lowly RK3066 (an old dual core Rockchip processor that is three years out of date at this point in time).

They have put together a Volks OS that can run Android and Debian off the same kernel both at the same time, not running anything inside an emulator, but running them natural at the same time off the same kernel.

Watch the film as they explain that Android does really really well at certain things that Debian only does "OK" on, and vice versa.   Using both systems seems to make up a full general purpose OS and this is CERTAINLY something that Google could do with Android and Chrome since they ARE actually the exact same stuff down under the pretty interfaces.

This is the same brainstorm that Intel, Samsung, HP, Dell  and several others had earlier in the year at CES 2014, but MS would not hear of it, so MS likely gets left out of any future wave that this idea represents.

Google played Switzerland and said and did ..... absolutely nothing .....


Since some lowly Raspberry Pi guys can do it, why can't you -- Google ???


Eventually, MS will prove to everybody they are NOT going to take their thumbs out of their butts and come up with a decent enough Win OS to unify ARM and x86 --- meanwhile Intel is busily abandoning x86 for ARM so the entire thing is rapidly becoming moot at this point in time.

ARM systems calls is it -- Intel's newest mobile chipsets all use the ARM standard calls for all their systems calls -- the time has come to move forward on a general purpose ARM OS now.

Beef up 64 bit Chrome with full 64 bit Android functionality (right down to the Play Store level) and let's get on with the program ....  you can continue to keep Android separate for phones and tablet uses, but get Chrome to be fully Android compatible so it can use all the Play Store items as desired.

The ARM world needs a good general purpose "monitor, mouse and keyboard capable" general purpose OS to move forward into other uses.    Chrome plus Android would just about do it ....


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Reply #16 - 07/20/14 at 05:01:19
 

Now a bit about Hewlett Packard, the printer company.

They used to design, build and sell lots of computers and stuff .....

Now they shop in China, re-label other people's mid to lower end stuff and mark it up a bunch and sell it as mid to upper level American stuff
(which it isn't, it is merely new).

Here is an example:       Read carefully for the processors used in these things, I haven't even heard of the processor brands before, this is really native native Chinese stuff.

http://liliputing.com/2014/07/hp-slate-8-plus-slate-10-plus-hp-10-plus-tablet...



HP appears to have at least 3 new Android tablets on the way… and according to leaked information obtained by Mobile Geeks, all three are built by Chinese device maker Huawei, but they’ll have the HP logo slapped on the back.


Why is this bad?   HP is buying lower end stuff lately and selling it at Best Buy and Wally at a considerable mark up as mid range or better.   The folks that lose out are the ones who pay too much for this muffler expecting some HP goodness (HP used to be fairly good, you know) and get disappointed.

They can get away with this because of the 6 months to a year delay between something coming out new in China and somebody actually selling it here in the "tech backwater" USA.  

Europe even gets stuff 6 months before we actually see it, as Europeans will accept Australian "UL" approvals and the Australians will see the stuff when it first comes out.

HP is cashing in on their brand name, and they are slowly destroying their brand name in the process when they name brand an "early failing" or poorly performing item in their rush to get it to the USA market first.



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Reply #17 - 07/20/14 at 14:01:50
 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-will-end-windows-7-support-2014-7

     
We laid off some of the Win 7 support personnel already, so we have to officially cut off the Win 7 support
early next year before somebody figures out we aren't really supporting it for very much already ....


.... and if you don't like it, sez Satya Nadella, you can jest go buy a copy of Windows 9.0 and turn on the "Win 7 mode" .....

"Microsoft is warning customers that the end is soon coming for free Windows 7 support. Microsoft will end free mainstream support for Windows 7 on January 13, 2015.

This covers all versions of Windows 7, Mary Jo Foley points out.

The end of support generally means no more updated features or performance improvements, unless you are covered by extra "extended support."



Huh       wow -- look to see Chrome and Apple really take off then.


So, Microsoft is going to kill off a total of 80%   (30% XP and 50% Win 7)   of their active market share in an attempt to force their customers to upgrade and to try to get them to spend $$$ MORE money $$$ to buy them some more of that sorry MS OS product ....  

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Reply #18 - 07/20/14 at 14:13:34
 
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Reply #19 - 07/20/14 at 14:31:54
 

I'd say the boys are really really really laying it all on the line that Win 9 HAS TO BE a stellar success story,  'cause if the next version of Windows flops yet again it is all over for MS .....

An alternate theory being put forward is that MS plans to get completely out of the OS for money business and just sell Office software and provide pay me business support for their existing products.

What fuels this rumor is Apple is giving their new OS product away for free, as is Google.   MS feels that folks simply won't pay for an OS any more, and they need to keep you locked into MS's Office World even if it means putting out a free Win 9.0 that everybody upgrades to (and thusly continue their ongoing chronic MS locked-in mentality).

Failure to get the entire world to move over to a free Win 9 means no more Microsoft inside 3-4 years.    If folks can just be talked into staying locked in to MS, then MS continues on in the future, smaller perhaps but still viable.

The blastingly huge wave of Chromebooks and Chromeboxes and the recent strong requests by managers and workers for Macs instead of PCs also plays into this prediction.
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Reply #20 - 07/20/14 at 14:58:26
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/vmware-windows-is-coming-to-an-end-2014-7



"VMware queried 376 IT professionals and found that they are increasingly being asked to buy and/or support Macs in the enterprise by employees who want Macs, not Windows machines.

"Microsoft Windows has dominated enterprise desktops for close to three decades but it appears its reign is coming to an end. As BYOPC ["Bring Your Own PC"] and BYOD [Bring Your Own Device] continue to transform the enterprise, Macs have become a popular and preferred option compared to Windows PCs," says Erik Frieberg, VP of Marketing, End-User Computing, VMware, in the report."


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Reply #21 - 07/20/14 at 15:44:39
 
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VMware queried 376 IT professionals


That must be their entire clientele.   Roll Eyes

I'd hardly place any credence to that or the article if that summed up their entire research.
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Reply #22 - 07/20/14 at 16:49:44
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/247749/more_businesses_will_choose_mac_over_wi...

More Businesses Will (currently) Choose Mac Over Windows:

Microsoft is losing significant market share to Macs.    Look at the darker blue and see that it is getting shorter while Mac is getting larger (in last few years).  

No one is trying to say there are more Macs out there at this point in time than PCs (not counting all pre-existing units) but they are saying new sales are tilting strongly towards the Mac.




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Now lets see if we can find something similar with Chromebooks to see what we can see on that front.
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Reply #23 - 07/20/14 at 17:07:06
 
I could see some business' going to Mac for security.
Or I can see a reemergence of the workstation.

A lot of middle level defense contracts went to pc's cause they're cheap.
unless the gubs come out and say which OS is safe to use, most will retreat to the safest ground.
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Reply #24 - 07/20/14 at 17:10:41
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2454282/chromebook-sales-explode-in-the-workpl...

Chromebook sales explode in the workplace

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/07/prweb12015258.htm

Since the start of the year Chromebook sales within the U.S. Commercial Channel increased 250 percent year-over-year

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/1-million-chromebooks-sold-schools-sec...

More than 1 million Chromebooks sold to schools in second quarter of 2014




"In the second quarter, schools purchased more than 1 million Chromebooks, according to Google. On top of that, a recent report from market research firm NPD Group spotlights the strength of Chromebook commercial sales, which rose 250 percent year-over-year in the U.S. from January through May.

Since the start of the year (January – May), Chromebook sales within the U.S. Commercial Channel increased 250 percent year-over-year and accounted for 35 percent of all channel notebooks sales. According to The NPD Group Distributor and Reseller Weekly Tracking Services, total notebook sales through the U.S. Commercial Channel increased 36 percent, desktop sales jumped 24 percent, and overall PC client volume rose by 1 million units so far this year. Windows notebook sales were flat and Macbook sales increased more than 20 percent.  

(confirmation on that Macbook thing from another source)

Chromebooks aside, the rest of the U.S. commercial PC market also got a positive boost. Windows desktop sales were up 24 percent as Windows XP reached its end of life, which also coincided with a regular replacement cycle for business client devices."


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So, killing XP gained MS a 24% uptick in their commercial/business desktops, had NO POSITIVE EFFECT on Windows notebooks/laptops sales at all and cost them a 20% uptick in Macbook sales and a 35% of all channels notebooks sales uptick in Chromebooks.

So, MS gained 24% on desktop units (about a normal percentage desktop replacement sales) and they lost ~55%~ on notebook/laptop sales.   MS lost half their laptop sales already the first part of this year alone.

Sad thing is the majority of these 24% of new desktops were all Windows 7 machines that MS has just announced the death schedule for.

What do you think is going to happen when Google finally gets a desktop unit and matching OS out there that is "general" enough and is fully featured?

MS has got to pull out all their tricks and FIGHT HARD for the rest of this year because Apple and Chromebooks are simply killing them, just slaying them -- with Google and Apple not even trying at all.

Apple is making a profit at this, as are the Chromebook vendors.   Microsoft and Intel are bathing in red ink and are going to have to go under the red deeeeeeply from this point forward just to exist next year.

And if Lenovo sent any message to MS this week -- it was this:  "When the incentive spending (big bribes) stops, so does the shipment of those Windows machines."

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Or, if you want to be somewhat more balanced about it "There is no real market for 8" Windows tablets in the USA and we won't dump our money into a rathole any more".
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Reply #25 - 07/20/14 at 20:36:04
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2452757/microsoft-adopts-challenger-mentality-...

Microsoft finally admits to only having a 14% market share in modern computing

“The reality is that the world has shifted, and the world’s evolved. We now measure ourself in the total device space, and in the total device space we have a 14 percent share of devices,” Turner said.

“And when you have 14 percent you have to adopt a challenger mindset,” Turner said.

On Monday, Microsoft made few announcements, mainly showing off how its existing products worked together, forging a cohesive whole. And of course, there were new programs geared toward Microsoft's partners, the whole point of the conference.





One important tidbit of news, however, was the Hewlett-Packard Stream, a $199 notebook which Turner held up to illustrate the fact that Microsoft was committed to attacking the low end of the market in an effort to gobble up that remaining 86 percent of devices. The Stream will be accompanied by two other HP tablets, priced at $99, which will launch this holiday season.


OK, Microsoft is trusting HP  (who currently name brands newly built Chinese domestic products and various stuff from China & South Korea)  to come up with the Microsoft banner carrying product for this Christmas season,  a Windows laptop that will retail for $199.  

Stream, oh yeah, Microsoft is writing in the snow with this one.

OK, we look forward to getting Streamed upon by HP and we do hope that HP does a better job of aiming that stream than they have lately with their piss-poor, way out of date when coming out of the gate HP Chromeboxes.

Once yet again though, Microsoft is making a whole lot of noise about only one (1) yet to be designed and built very very strongly price supported MS/HP product that is going to be going up against a mile high tsunami wave of BUILT AT A REAL PROFIT Chromebooks and Chromeboxes that are already counted up in the millions of 2014 units that are already built and shipped at this point in time.    Real units, real shipments, sold through already.

And if Dell can manage to fill its orders, even more than a million per quarter will be added to the Chromebook / Box counts for the next two quarters.



Wink    We shall see, won't we?        



.... see the little MS guys holding their little HP stream machines in their hands down there on the road surface, attempting to counter current the ocean flow with their little yellow streams .....

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Reply #26 - 07/21/14 at 05:19:51
 


Makes you sort of wonder why it took Microsoft over 4 years to realize this simple fact .....

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Intel still doesn't get it.

Intel would drive itself into total red ink just to sell < 40,000 tablet chipsets all the while still claiming to be the #1 microprocessor company in the world, when in fact they are currently the #7 sized foundry in the world and that #7 ranked foundry is currently less than 50% utilized at this point in time.

Intel's real chipset output level would put them at about the same place that Microsoft finally will admit that they are currently in software .....  at about the same profitability level for both on their mobile business.

HOWEVER, Intel is up there riding on the Chromebook wave -- which is the good place to be right now.

Down on the pavement with the streamers, that isn't the place to be right now .....

Do you think the device makers can figure that out?

Asus?    Acer?    Lenovo?   Dell?

HP, why are you down on the pavement?    You have 5x more units riding the Chrome wave down on top of your very own Streaming head right now .....  are the bribes in Stream really that good?

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......  oh, so you decided to hedge your bet just in case MS really does pull it off?

Make your petty cash driving range fees $$$ while covering your arse in case MS really manages to reverse the big ocean swell ???

That sounds sensible, don't it?   "Butt covering" is an accepted art form in both Seattle and in Silicon Valley after all ....
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Reply #27 - 07/21/14 at 07:36:50
 

Microsoft, if you think this image is real scary,





.... just wait until next year when the next wave just barely begins to hit .......


Shocked


It will look like this compared to the Chrome wave that is currently taking you out right now.





http://www.zdnet.com/internet-of-things-market-to-hit-7-1-trillion-by-2020-id...

Internet of Things market to hit $7.1 trillion by 2020

All of devices (yeah, that thing you are less than 14% of) is less than $2 trillion right now and will triple by 2020 driven by the Internet Of Things and you ain't in that wave at all right now.

I/T Ground Foor Companies (ARM, Google and Apple) are dicing up that future wave up as we speak, buying up other key I/T companies and positioning themselves to guide that next major wave.

Currently 100% driven by Arm processors and Android / iOS operating systems -- controlled & commanded by standard cell phones and smart watches.

Your car, your TV, your front door, your oven, your thermostat -- you know, things, just normal every day things .....

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Reply #28 - 07/21/14 at 10:26:13
 

So, Intel replies that they finally get it now that their buddy Microsoft gets it.

http://liliputing.com/2014/07/intel-updates-bay-trail-haswell-chip-familiesU-...

Intel updates Bay Trail, Haswell chip families for low-power portables

Once again, it is all the exact same chipsets as before with slightly tweeked energy nanny chips that will allow slightly higher burst mode speeds  --  in hopes that the Antutu test doesn't fry them during the 100 loop burst mode test that is.

Bay Trail
Chip                        Cores      Frequency/Burst        L2 Cache   GPU          TDP
Celeron N2808      2      1.58 GHz / 2.25 GHz      1MB      311 MHz / 792 MHz      4.3W
Celeron N2840      2      2.16 GHz / 2.58 GHz      1MB      311 MHz / 792 MHz      7.5W
Celeron N2940      4      1.83 GHz / 2.25 GHz      2MB      313 MHz / 854 MHz      7.5W
Pentium N3540      4      2.16 GHz / 2.66 GHz      2MB      313 MHz / 896 MHz      7.5W

Haswell
Chip       Cores/Threads       Frequency L3 Cache       TDP
Core i5-4278U      2 / 4      2.6 GHz      3MB      28W
Core i5-4308U      2 / 4      2.8 GHz      3MB      28W
Core i7-4578U      2 / 4      3 GHz      3MB      28W

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So, Intel are you going to submit your "new" chipsets to Antutu 5.0 Testing so as to be listed in the top 20 mobile chipsets?
(or mostly not as the case may be)?

Wink            

if they don't fry, one or two will make it into the top 20 for speed, certainly ..... but those that make it for speed
will sorta kinda suck for the battery life portion -- mobile is a big trade off game for Intel



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Reply #29 - 07/24/14 at 05:25:22
 


This is a slide from ARM when talking to their investors about the future.   ARM keeps it tight, except at such talks with shareholder people who really do want to know what their money is doing to make more money next year.

And the answer was a glimpse at Maya and Artemis, the next wave of ARM 64 bit 10mm/14nm sized SOC products.   Notice please that this wave goes into everything (including your clothes), talks to everything else and can communicate back to servers and mainframe supercomputers using wireless technology.    

This slide sort of defines the internet of things from the folks designing the technology that will be used.

Think of Google on steroids, think of chip products woven into your garments or inserted under your skin.    

Think bigger .... this will be a LARGER revolution than the PC revolution was because it will contain EVERYTHING.

As Microsoft struggles to be relevant in the mobile age (gain a foothold and some real market share) and Intel struggles to finally make an integrated cell phone chip, this is what ARM, Google and Apple are spending their skull sweat working on.


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