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06/30/14 at 07:44:38
 
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court says corporations can hold religious objections that allow them to opt out of the new health law requirement that they cover contraceptives for women.

I think that makes Hopey's record with the Supreme Court 1-13. For a former 'Constitutional Law Professor', that's pretty pathetic.
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Reply #1 - 07/01/14 at 06:17:28
 
The best thing I saw on Facebook was:

"Isn't working at Hobby Lobby contraceptive enough?"


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Reply #2 - 07/01/14 at 06:47:36
 
This is a very narrow decision, that applies only to closely held corporations, not those that are publicly traded.  That's a huge difference that is not being recognized by media reports.
The essence of the decision is that in a closely help corporation, the beliefs of the owners trump those of the gov't.
There is no analogy to large publicly traded corps.
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Reply #3 - 07/01/14 at 07:34:17
 
To add to what jerry said... not only is this very narrow... but according to news ( yeah well so do your own homework)

ACA forced corps to support 20 out of 20 birth control pills. Of those 20, 4 are "morning after pills" ie they TERMINATE  a fertilized egg.  The decision only applied to such pills; so 4 out of 20. All the other 16 ARE covered by ACA.

Given this tidbit ( that most folks are NOT saying) I think I firmly approve the decision.
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Reply #4 - 07/01/14 at 09:09:57
 
Yes,the media are reporting this as if it means some companies won't be required to pay for birth control. Lies, lies and more lies..
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Reply #5 - 07/01/14 at 10:15:56
 
"It’s very troubling that a sales clerk at Hobby Lobby who needs contraception, which is pretty expensive, is not going to get that service through her employer’s health-care plan because her employer doesn't think she should be using contraception,” she said.  "We're always going to argue about abortion, It’s a hard choice and it’s controversial, and that’s why I'm pro-choice, because I want people to make their own choices.”

So says Hilary Clinton. This is an out and out lie. Hard to say who the bigger liar is, her or Obama.
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Reply #6 - 07/01/14 at 11:28:50
 
I object to this as it is the 1st government approved toe hold that allows a corporation to control the lives of their workers.
Does this allow them to discriminate against new hires because of religion?  All they have to do is mention it during an interview.
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Reply #7 - 07/01/14 at 13:18:29
 
How does this mean corporation controls the lives of their workers? This has to do with the benefit that they voluntarily pay for their employees. They are not preventing their employees from getting any type of birth control pill. They are just not going to pay for four specific types. You are doing exactly what we are saying the media is doing. What you said they have done is completely inaccurate. You might as well say 2+2 = 5.  That statement and your first statement are both equally false.

As far as an interview process, there are already very strict things you can and cannot ask. No one is suggesting this court case now gives hobby lobby the right to ask a woman if she intends on having an abortion if she gets pregnant.  As Jerry mentioned, this is a very limited decision. Making an employer pay for an abortion is quite a bit different than making an employer pay for a broken arm because somebody participates in a risky hobby like skateboarding or motorcycle riding even. Religious organizations and religious people have a long-standing objection to abortion. To make them pay for one just does not seem right.
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Reply #8 - 07/01/14 at 14:39:51
 
No,Verslagen, it doesn't. Explain why you think it does, then I'll explain why it doesn't.
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Reply #9 - 07/01/14 at 14:41:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/01/14 at 14:39:51:
Explain why you think it does, then I'll explain why it doesn't.

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Reply #10 - 07/01/14 at 16:45:11
 
It really is simple folks........

BUY SOME FEAKIN CONDOMS !!!!!!

We are on such a path to nonsensical reasoning as repair to all that is not fair in this world.
Gang, I am an upbeat pragmatic optimist, and I live for the moment, as that is all I really have..... but goodness me, I can't recall in my lifetime of 61 years, how we worry, and fret, putting our joy, and happiness, in the hands of others, they must approve and affirm us, our I can't live my life as such  Undecided 
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Reply #11 - 07/01/14 at 18:24:34
 
raydawg wrote on 07/01/14 at 16:45:11:
It really is simple folks........

BUY SOME FEAKIN CONDOMS !!!!!!

We are on such a path to nonsensical reasoning as repair to all that is not fair in this world.  . . .    


That's basically it, in a nut shell.
It's  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY !

I, am NOT, responsible for some nut case.
I am, NOT, responsible to, 'FIX', that person.
I, AM,   Responsible for  MY  Actions.  
Me, and me alone.

If someone says they use a particular tire on their LS-650/S-40,
then I use the same one, and get in a crash.
That would be,  MY, fault.  NOT theirs!

If someone said: "They Always drive 70 on this road".
Then I drive 70 on that road, and get a ticket.
Do,  THEY, Pay for it.  ?????????????

If someone says: "They only use a, (new modern) type of oil in their MS". And it has a melt down, do we ALL chip in and BUY them a new MS ??????

It's real simple, "Buy A Fricken Condom".
Get as much knowledge as you can, on a subject.
Then, Make  YOUR  Decision !
And if the decision YOU made, is wrong,
it is NOT, the other guys fault !!!!!!!!

In reference to the store that started this thread.
That store, (and others), are not saying their employes,
can or can not do something. They are FREE to do what they want.
They are just saying, they will not PAY, for a thing, that they don't want.

It is, Exactly the same, as a store, which has a sign on the door:
"No Guns Allowed".  I am NOT  Forced to do business their.
I have the Freedom of Choice, to go down the road to another store.

(Well, maybe not, if you live in Italy)  Embarrassed




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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #12 - 07/02/14 at 04:15:19
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/01/14 at 14:41:09:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/01/14 at 14:39:51:
Explain why you think it does, then I'll explain why it doesn't.

Grin Grin Grin...


What are you laughing at censor-boy? Jog has the balls to say out loud what all of us, including you (especially you) do whenever we comment with a different point of view on someone's post. If we didn't think someone was wrong, we would comment with an opposing point of view.
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Reply #13 - 07/02/14 at 06:59:54
 
I guess he just can't put it in words.
Why is it hard to see that forcing someone to PAY for something they view as immoral infringes on their ability to freely exercise their faith?
How about we tax atheists to build churches
And old Baptist women to build bars?
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Reply #14 - 07/02/14 at 07:44:19
 
As I said it is the first toe hold
When those nut jobs that don't believe in surgery come into play do they get a pass not to pay?
And when this becomes a rape case will a victims group pay?
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