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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	What do you guys think of this? 06/03/14 at 16:41:30 I'll leave it to you guys who know about the subject than I (nuttin). I do know however I am all for getting rid of the corn. I know of folk to that have lost their 4 stroke outboards do to the fuel....ain't a 150 plus HP 4 strike ain't cheap http://www.ewg.org/research/ethanols-broken-promise
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5818 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #1 - 06/03/14 at 16:48:15 wifey has flex fuel ford focus she wont use high E gas anymore cause it drops the mpg enough to offset any price savings
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Reply #2 - 06/03/14 at 17:19:40

Yeah the gf has a flex fuel jeep commander. It's hard enough to find a station that supplies flex fuel... No to mention any savings in $ is counter balanced by the loss of milage.
The main problem with using ethanol is the moisture that it creates. It's horrible and causes corrosion inside your engine
I am not sure what can be done to protect our engines. There might be some additive that you can use.
I'll leave that part of the conversation to someone that may know more than myself.... Plus I'm using my phone so kind of a pain in the butt to make lengthy post.

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Reply #3 - 06/03/14 at 23:43:18

A little research will disclose the "alcohol-burning fad" started in Brazil in the very early 1970's, with cars such as the Ford Falcon (local model) and the VW Beetle (air cooled) running on pure ethanol.

What is not told is that while gasoline requires a 14:1 air/fuel ratio, alcohol (ethanol) requires 6:1... you didn't have a "carburetor", you had a "hose & funnel" !!!
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Hence, cheap as it may be, the more alcohol you dilute in gasoline, the poorer your overall performance will be.

The future is NOT alcohol, it's diesel/electric hybrids.

Why diesel and not gasoline ?
Because when you distill/refine crude oil, you get tar&pitch + diesel/kerosene + volatile gases (the ones the bottle and call LPG but once burned off tall smokestacks)

You then need to refine 2 parts of kerosene/diesel to obtain one part of gasline + tars + more LPG...
Huh

So why on earth waste 2 gals of perfectly good diesel that will push your car 60 miles, to create 1 gal gasoline that will push your car a mere 40 ?

60mpg x 2 gals = 120 miles...
40 mpg x 1 gal = 40 miles...
Huh

Something's wrong here...

Sooo... diesel/electric hybrids... Cool

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #4 - 06/04/14 at 06:10:53 A lot of people who run high pressure turbo cars run E85 because you can burn a bit leaner without knocking. As for the environment, I say FTNG. --Steve
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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2679 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #5 - 06/04/14 at 06:34:36 The corn-ethanol BS in the US has always been about politics not science. Just like most of the so-called solutions to our non-existent "energy/environmental crisis."
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Reply #6 - 06/04/14 at 06:54:17

& By the time you water the crop & spend the energy to harvest & make it alcohol, you really think the enviro impact is less than making GASOLINE? & what of the Food Prices,, Did we not learn about the supply/demand thing? What happens to supply of food when the available land to grow it & the people interested in farming it are decreased? Do people think the acres & acres of corn for fuel & the people who plant & tend them came outta the sky? Those are FORMER Food Crop acres,, & those are Former food crop Growers,,

I can scream YOUre being scammed all day, but no one listens,, Well,, not so,, there have been a few,,

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Reply #7 - 06/04/14 at 10:34:05

mpescatori wrote on 06/03/14 at 23:43:18:

A little research will disclose the "alcohol-burning fad" started in Brazil in the very early 1970's, with cars such as the Ford Falcon (local model) and the VW Beetle (air cooled) running on pure ethanol.

What is not told is that while gasoline requires a 14:1 air/fuel ratio, alcohol (ethanol) requires 6:1... you didn't have a "carburetor", you had a "hose & funnel" !!!
Grin

Hence, cheap as it may be, the more alcohol you dilute in gasoline, the poorer your overall performance will be.

The future is NOT alcohol, it's diesel/electric hybrids.

Why diesel and not gasoline ?
Because when you distill/refine crude oil, you get tar&pitch + diesel/kerosene + volatile gases (the ones the bottle and call LPG but once burned off tall smokestacks)

You then need to refine 2 parts of kerosene/diesel to obtain one part of gasline + tars + more LPG...
Huh

So why on earth waste 2 gals of perfectly good diesel that will push your car 60 miles, to create 1 gal gasoline that will push your car a mere 40 ?

60mpg x 2 gals = 120 miles...
40 mpg x 1 gal = 40 miles...
Huh

Something's wrong here...

Sooo... diesel/electric hybrids... Cool

Well lets go one better... or to continue the line on the other side:

Brazil uses SUGAR cane... not corn
Squeeze the cane, boil off the water you get SUGAR..
Ferment the sugar you get Ethanol

US uses CORN
Render the corn to get.... STARCH
Render the starch to sugar
Ferment the sugar you get Ethanol

OR
watch Moonshiners and see how they make alcohol... they ADD SUGAR.. and lots of it!!!!

Its not a one to one with Sugar cane versus corn. Corn is much less convertible. But there is a powerful corn lobby!

Actually I would be all for Ethanol.. but not the way it was done. mandating it, subsidixing only corn.. and then taxing it at the full value of gasoline. ITs a HUGE rip off!!!

Think about it.. if my car gets 40MPG on GAS and taxes on a ten gallon tank are $3.80 then taxes are on 400 miles
But at 30mpg on ethanol and a ten gallon tank my taxes are the same $3.80 on only 300 miles!

PS: G. H. Bush passed the "read my lips" tax on gas. Our pumps read "Gas includes $.38 per gallon federal tax". This does not include local and state taxes.

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Reply #8 - 06/04/14 at 12:31:59

gas prices have KILLED all my neighbors and friends, nobody talks about it anymore but fuel prices are one of the BIG factors in our crappy economy.. everything we need arrives by motorized transport..

the pipeline from canada to our refineries would have helped the USA AND CANADA.. Hussein obama and his liberal morons don't realize the pipe has LESS risk of spillage than road or rail

every darn decision made in D.C. is carried out for votes, not the nation's well being :'(

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Reply #9 - 06/04/14 at 16:09:00

Ok..... I gotta number for you. If Alaskan Airlines can figger out, or more to point, if Boeing can build a better 737 (which they are with the MAX, projecting a 15% fuel saving over the current models)

If Alaskan can save 1% fuel cost per seat now, it would save them, get this, 30 to 50 million per year!

Fuel currently is about 50% of the operating cost of the airline.

I work building the 787, and some customers are already reporting 30% fuel savings over rival aircraft!
And this is only with the -8. We have already built a few -9's that will seat about 30 more people, so the cost per seat is improved that much more.
The -10 won't be out for a few more years, but it will seat up to 80 more people.....

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #10 - 06/05/14 at 06:08:11 http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2014/04/volkswagens-new-300-mpg-car-not-allo... --Steve
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #11 - 06/05/14 at 09:33:56 Paraguat,, thats a real eye opener..
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12847 Gender:	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #12 - 06/05/14 at 10:47:29 Paraquat wrote on 06/05/14 at 06:08:11: http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2014/04/volkswagens-new-300-mpg-car-not-allo... --Steve My bull$h!t alarm is ringing..... If someone had a viable 300 mpg car, they'd make a fortune off of it and it would be on the showroom floor.
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Reply #13 - 06/05/14 at 11:11:10

There is more than one copy of this article.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/xl1.asp
Snopes argues against it. Citing it's a limited production run.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/concept-cars/vw-reveals-new-300mpg-coupe
This article just talks about the car.

http://jalopnik.com/the-mpg-conspiracy-theory-is-crap-and-heres-why-1562574926
Jalopnik dissects the conspiracies.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/Volkswagen-XL1.htm#.U5CyXyjwouI
These guys jump in and say it's a hoax.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What do you guys think of this? Reply #14 - 06/05/14 at 12:11:07 What about the VW thats built here but only for export? THAT alone is enough to demonstrate manipulation of policy to benefit the oil sellers.
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