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Doug B Full Member Offline I am, therefore I think Posts: 175 Kennewick, WA Gender:	I think I have a screw loose 04/28/14 at 12:52:46 I am planning on buying some JIS screwdrivers. I'm looking at a set from Vessel(part# A-16510). Have any of you used Vessel tools or another brand ? Any comments regarding JIS screws/tools welcomed
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runwyrlph Serious Thumper Offline Semper ubi sub ubi Posts: 846 pa Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #1 - 04/28/14 at 13:01:10 I don't have any advice on JIS, so far I've been able to make do with judicious use of phillips but I don't want you to be butthurt, so I'll reply
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arteacher Serious Thumper Offline Ride as if your naked and invisable! Posts: 2581 London ontario Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #2 - 04/28/14 at 14:11:44 I bought a set of three- a #2 regular, a#2 long, and a #1 regular. I found they work much better than standard Philips with loosening over tight or locktighted screws. You can put some serious torque on them without stripping the heads.
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #3 - 04/28/14 at 14:13:51 No experience with JIS tools myself, most of my hand tools are Craftsman or Kobalt.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #4 - 04/28/14 at 14:35:25 JIS is a Japanese standard for the screwdriver tips, slightly different from Phillips... nothing that a whack on the end of the particular driver and 10# sledge wouldn't cure. There are a number of links try searching for "JIS" by digger.
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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #5 - 04/28/14 at 22:22:46 The $20 blue tool kit from Walmart has JIS bits in it, as well as allen wrenches, combination wrenches, sockets and drivers for 3/8 and 1/4 in metric and SAE... For a cheapy Chicom tool kit, the stuff actually works fine...
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Pine Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1694 Mississippi, USA Gender:	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #6 - 04/29/14 at 06:57:21 Actually I thought about buying some myself... but after a few days search on the net I got fed up with the prices.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #7 - 04/29/14 at 07:13:32 & My approach? I stick a #2 Philips on a grinder & flatten the tip till it fills the X of the screw head. I do that to replaceable tips a lot more than my every day screwdrivers.
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Reply #8 - 04/29/14 at 10:27:13

My#3 screwdriver seems to work on the large screws fine. For the mid sized ones I have a screwdriver handle that accepts the #2 bits - and I have just ground off a bit of the tip. Haven't figured out what to do with the smaller screws.....my #1 phillips does tend to deform the slots in the screw head.

I guess I should buy some JIS drivers as well......I do plan on working on these things for a while longer.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #9 - 04/29/14 at 10:32:23 I would expect a #1 with a lopped off tip would fit the smaller screw heads.. Same for all the smaller sizes, find the smaller Philips, grind.. Unless finding & buying JIS is better for you.
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Sheriff41 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 88 O'ahu, HI	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #10 - 04/29/14 at 22:55:28 The right tool for the job. That said, if you think you'll use them enough to justify the price, then by all means they're worth having on hand. I second what WD said about the cheap tools from WalMart.
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Reply #11 - 04/30/14 at 07:36:08

IMHO - the JIS is a better standard/design... WTH is wrong with SAE engineers that they would do it that way!

That said.. I just replaced 8 JIS #2 stainless screws with 8 Stainless hex screws on the windshield of my Silverado. The replacement ( which are VERY nice, were over $4 each. The funny thing is, the rest of the bike is MOSTLY hex screws.. so switching actually brings the "look" more in line with the rest of the bike. The downside is that the phillips head screws were much broader for more substantial look.

I know on the Savage that WD now has, I replaced several/many non-stainless screws ( that also seemed worn or soft) with new stainless counterparts. I also (as I tend to do) used nylon washers between the screw head and painted panels. being these are bike I also believe in blue threadlock and lock washers if they will work.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I think I have a screw loose Reply #12 - 04/30/14 at 07:40:09 Where di you go to pay $4.00 for a SCREW? Man, hit the yellow pages, go for a ride in the industrial part of town, FIND a place that sells fasteners.. I bought a 36" piece of 3/8 all thread, stainless steel for $4.00..
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Reply #13 - 04/30/14 at 07:49:08

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/30/14 at 07:40:09:

Where di you go to pay $4.00 for a SCREW? Man, hit the yellow pages, go for a ride in the industrial part of town, FIND a place that sells fasteners.. I bought a 36" piece of 3/8 all thread, stainless steel for $4.00..

umm I didn't thats was the dealership needed to replace the two missing screws. I replaced ALL the screws but at about $1 per and $1.5 per SS acorn nut! ( still expensive)

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Reply #14 - 04/30/14 at 08:12:06

Seriously, before that "next project" & you know there'll be another reason to buy nuts & bolts, go find the place that sells to mechanic shops & the folks who put up steel buildings, etc.. When I lived in Odessa Tx I worked at the Ford body shop. I got handed the job of replacing the frame on 2 F 150s. Until then I had no idea about going into a shop that sells threaded fasteners ( use that in the search terms).
I walked in, talked to a guy, he helped me decide what I needed. We decided on Grade 8 & I never had one come back with squeaks & rattles.I did 2 of them, Huge Pain in the rear,,but fun, too,,
anyway, its rare I go to a hardware store for nuts & bolts. I have a fair selection at home & when I run short I go spend $20.00 or so & get a selection of stuff,,The guy gives me contractor rates,, YES, they have a book. Not everyone pays the same in those places. Look for the friendliest face & BE NICE.. Ya got Walk in, Regular customer, & maybe a coupla other Pay Rates. The $4.00 SS all thread I got would probably have been 10 if someone else sold it to me,
I need to get over there & lay hands on some more O that stuff,,

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