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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #15 - 04/27/14 at 17:55:57 Do you mean the TDC?
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Reply #17 - 04/27/14 at 18:01:51

I took off the valve covers, took of the cover where the 17 mm bolt turns counter clockwise, took out the spark plug. Turned the 17 mm a couple times to the left, wasn’t sure if I got it right, put a screw driver in the spark plug hole, turn left twice, ensured the two markings were aligned while going counter clockwise. Piston is all the way to the top and the markings are aligned correctly.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #19 - 04/27/14 at 18:59:17 Sorry, I don't know?
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #20 - 04/27/14 at 19:01:03 Did I screw it up pretty good? This was my first go at something like this.
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Reply #21 - 04/27/14 at 19:42:47

I don't think you screwed anything up. I just don't think you've got the feeler gauge in the right spot. The gauge goes between the bottom of the adjuster - the screw in the end of the rocker arm- and the top of the valve stem.

I can't think of any other possibility unless you loosened the locknuts before you measured the gap for the first time and accidentally backed the screws out.

Check the parts diagram and the picture again.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #22 - 04/27/14 at 19:47:46 pg wrote on 04/27/14 at 18:59:17: Sorry, I don't know? It's possible you're on the wrong tdc. With the covers off rotate the crankshaft till you see the intake valves move. The keep going it tdc either by the marks or piston.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #23 - 04/28/14 at 02:56:17 I'll give it another try here in a bit. Is this correct, there should be some play in the rocker arms when done correctly? There was none yesterday evening.
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Reply #24 - 04/28/14 at 04:53:09

pg wrote on 04/28/14 at 02:56:17:

I'll give it another try here in a bit. Is this correct, there should be some play in the rocker arms when done correctly? There was none yesterday evening. Sad

With the engine at TDC on the compression stroke both rocker arms will be loose. The valves have to be closed then -the rocker arms not pushing on them. The rocker arms won't move much, but they will move. Just enough so you can wiggle them and confirm that they are not touching the valve stems. The gap between the adjusting screw and the valve stem is what you are supposed to measure.

So:

If you can't wiggle both rocker arms a little, you don't have the engine at TDC on the compression stroke.

If you are getting a measurement of .125, with the engine rotated anywhere, you are measuring in the wrong spot.

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Reply #25 - 04/28/14 at 06:36:33

Ok, I tried it again this morning. The piston is up and the alignment marks coincide. Turning counter clockwise, intake rockers go down (first turn), the outtake rockers go down (2nd turn), alignment marks coincide and the piston is up. Does this sound correct?

I think I was measuring the wrong spot, but feel free to interject. Thanks for your help.

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Reply #26 - 04/28/14 at 07:01:42

pg wrote on 04/28/14 at 06:36:33:

Ok, I tried it again this morning. The piston is up and the alignment marks coincide. Turning counter clockwise, intake rockers go down (first turn), the outtake rockers go down (2nd turn), alignment marks coincide and the piston is up. Does this sound correct?

I think I was measuring the wrong spot, but feel free to interject. Thanks for your help.

Sounds like you have the engine in the right place. If the timing marks line up and you can wiggle both rocker arms that confirms it.

Just my opinion, and you might get some disagreement about this from others. If you measure the clearance, and all four valves fall somewhere within the specified range, I'd leave them alone, even if all four are not exactly the same. That's why it's a range and not a single number.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #27 - 04/28/14 at 07:16:02 The rocker arms didn't want to wiggle during any part of the 720 turns?
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Reply #28 - 04/28/14 at 07:32:20

pg wrote on 04/28/14 at 06:36:33:

Ok, I tried it again this morning. The piston is up and the alignment marks coincide. Turning counter clockwise, intake rockers go down (first turn), the outtake rockers go down (2nd turn), alignment marks coincide and the piston is up. Does this sound correct?

I think I was measuring the wrong spot, but feel free to interject. Thanks for your help.

You want the TDC between intake and exhaust.
So, intake valves move, then a little more than a half turn and line the marks up. Exhaust valves should not move.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Valves & Tensioner Reply #29 - 04/28/14 at 07:50:02 Thanks Verslagen, let me start from the beginning. If the piston is up and the rockers on both ends are up how many turns till you get to the TDC?
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