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(SOLVED) 1998 engine knocking with throttle
03/18/14 at 17:03:55
 
Hello again so if you don't know the story is I bougt a 2000 savage for $500 got it home and it was seized as in melted metal stuck in the spark plug and all in the engine.
So I ordered a 1998 engine with 1,500 miles (according to the seller)for $530 on eBay and they shipped it the whole way upside down. A few top price were broken so I replaced them from the other blown engine. Like the valve check cover and one other thing. Anyway I started it right up no issues other than backfire.
I did line up the valve timing and what not anyway to make a long story short there is an engine knock that happens when I give the bike throttle in the engine top end near the exhaust manifold. It is a definite knock. So I'm pretty worried.
I had to sell my chopper because of money issues and really needed a bike and found this one and between the bike, the engine, parts, tools and getting it on the road it was a little over $1400 not to bad but I want it to last and would like to enjoy it.
The knocking can be pretty faint and really comes and goes with throttle but again I want the bike to last
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #1 - 03/18/14 at 17:07:02
 
How about a YouTube video of the sounds?
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Reply #2 - 03/18/14 at 17:20:49
 
yea, try to record a video as the valves sometimes tick a bit loud...

BTW. Good luck with the bike!
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #3 - 03/18/14 at 18:43:08
 
I was thinking about doing that, I'll make one tomorrow
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #4 - 03/18/14 at 19:44:47
 
wickedbiker wrote on 03/18/14 at 17:03:55:
I did line up the valve timing and what not anyway to make a long story short there is an engine knock that happens when I give the bike throttle in the engine top end near the exhaust manifold. It is a definite knock. So I'm pretty worried.

I think we need the long story.
so hard to diagnose something you can't see.
you timed it... so you had the cam chain off?
what else did you do?
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Reply #5 - 03/21/14 at 08:30:02
 
No I pulled the valve covers and lined up the marks true direct center or whatever.
Anyway I notice when I up the idle a bit the knocking goes away and the bike runs great. I also read somewhere that these bikes are suppose to idle high so I think I have gotten it solved. But my battery went dead so I have a new one coming. I'll test my theory with a good test drive one it comes and check back with you.
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #6 - 03/21/14 at 08:51:20
 
check your charging voltage.
if it wasn't charging, a weak battery will cause poor running.
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Reply #7 - 03/22/14 at 20:55:22
 
wickedbiker wrote on 03/21/14 at 08:30:02:
Anyway I notice when I up the idle a bit the knocking goes away and the bike runs great. I also read somewhere that these bikes are suppose to idle high so I think I have gotten it solved.


I've discovered that a Savage is a noisy beast. I just checked the valves on my new 2007 with 2000 miles on it and they were dead on .005. I thought for sure they were clacking. The noises my former '86 motor made are pretty much the same as the ones I have now. Someone should post a video of "normal engine sounds" so us NOOBs won't freak out at the clatter and rattles of a big single.
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Reply #8 - 03/23/14 at 05:00:36
 
mine is very quiet, no mechanical noises coming from the engine.. just a slight ticking of the valves
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #9 - 03/23/14 at 06:09:52
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yEc8Dsh374

Found this on youtube.  My bike with 11,000 M sounds pretty much just like this one. ( stock exhaust) Never had a problem. I'm guessing that this is normal.
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #10 - 03/25/14 at 16:12:11
 
I bought some pretty inexpensive oil and I am starting to think that is my issue have you guys ever heard of Brad Penn V2 4-Stroke High Performance Motorcycle Oil "The Green Oil" ?
I'm thinking I empty this cheap nuts out and get some Royal Purple and I bet that metal knocking stops.....

Anyway here is a video although it really doesnt do much good but if you have normal bike like the one in the previous post and this one playing at the same time and you pause one you can really tell the difference mine sounds like it has old used up oil in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GkDGitK96o&feature=youtu.be
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Reply #11 - 03/25/14 at 16:40:12
 
Hard to tell on the video, but I do think I hear what you mean...

I only heard it, when the idle was set far too low...
This could be a kind of pre-ignition knock, caused by the fire coming at the wrong time...
Just don't run yer' idle that low...
Any thumper will do that if you slow the idle that much... and then gas it...
(You'll also get a similar problem noise if you lug the engine in too low of a gear)...

Keep that idle up to a steady purr...  (needed for head oil pressure too)...
...and no lugging... 5th gear at 50mph, 4th at 40, 3rd at 30...etc...
Otherwise it sounds pretty good to me...


Shell Rotella is cheap, good oil... available at most auto places and WallyMart.... by the gallon... synth or dino...


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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #12 - 03/25/14 at 17:19:52
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/25/14 at 16:40:12:
Just don't run yer' idle that low...

(You'll also get a similar problem noise if you lug the engine in too low of a gear)...

Keep that idle up to a steady purr...  (needed for head oil pressure too)...
...and no lugging... 5th gear at 50mph, 4th at 40, 3rd at 30...etc...
Otherwise it sounds pretty good to me...

Shell Rotella is cheap, good oil... available at most auto places and WallyMart.... by the gallon... synth or dino...


Yep, I watched the video too and it sounds pretty normal to me. I had a "Frankenstein" with a 1987 motor in a 2005 frame. It sounded pretty much like yours. I have a new 2007 with 2,000 miles and it sounds like the previous video posted by someone. As a new Savage owner with no other real recent 4 stroke bike experience (my last bike was a 2 stroke Yamaha road racer in 1971) I don't have a frame of reference, they just seem to be a noisy motor. On the video you said it had 15,000 miles but I thought you mentioned it had 1,500.  If it has 15,000 I'd be sure to check out the cam chain tensioner before riding it seriously if you haven't already.  I checked my '87 and it was JUST about ready to fall out and the previous owner said it had about 9K.  Good luck with the project. Once you get it up and going you're going to love this bike! Hang in there!
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #13 - 03/25/14 at 18:49:06
 
PHHHT! Royal Purple,, save yer $$$, get some Rotella T, about $13.00 a gallon,, i9ts great oil
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Re: 1998 engine top end knocking only with throttl
Reply #14 - 03/25/14 at 19:03:18
 
get a mechanics stethoscope, you don't hear it in there it's not a problem.
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