Thank you Mr. Pescatori for such a comprehensive run down on the facts of the case & the explanation of your court system. I dont remember hearing such incriminating stories about her. I agree Clinton shoulda stayed out of it, its not like she was locked up in Mexico & her family being shook down for $40,000.00 to release her. Im sure were that the case, Hillary would never have gotten the memo,, but a taxpayer funded trip to Italy? OHH Hell YA!  
Yea,, Amanda needs to not get out of her back yard..

The whole point is, this is a trial over a US citizen accused of murdering a UK citizen, so the Italian Judicial System is remarkably neutral over it all.

Of course we have media coverage, and even talk shows about it, but we don't have assumed experts' opinions for and against, we have forensic experts from other cities (so, completely off the case and out of the info loop) discussing techniques, lawyers discussing tactics, and journalists in the US and UK reporting how local public opinion feels about it.

Sollecito himself is an accessory to murder, but insisted on pleading "not guilty" and got 26 years,
unlike Rudy Guedè who pleaded guilty and had a fast-track trial that got his sentence reduced from 26 to 16 years.

For MSNBC or FOX to claim "they already have a [nigga] in jail, what more do you want", says it all.

WebsterMark wrote on 02/03/14 at 10:23:17:


Bergamo isn't your typical tourist destination; it's like expecting a major tourist organization in Fargo, ND.




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Point taken, you actually have a job. Whoppee !

The point you do not seem to be able to take, is that "Old World" is something that has been around since... you pick an age, and archaeologists will give you twice as old.

I'll give you a few clues to what "Old World" means:

1. Housing for the Needy: unlike the US, whose capitalistic system was struggling with the masses of unemployed, "fascist" (not communist) Italy was building housing complexes for the needy;
the result was twofold: housing in brickwork (not trailer camps) and jobs for the unemployed.



Ugly ? Yes. better than a lumber shack or a trailer home ? Definitely !

2. Healthcare for the Needy: What I do not understand is how public taxes will pay for Police, Fire Dept and (apparently) public schools, but not for public healthcare; how can you work efficiently if you can't cure your illnesses?
How did... Chicagoans get their drinking water in the old days ? How did they bathe ?



These are the Water Works of Bologna in the 15th Century; and Public Baths from Roman days, reactivated in the 15th Century.



Churches ? Monasteries ? No, ancient public hospitals.  

On the left, "Ospizio di Santo Spirito", built in the 12th Century; on the right, "Ospedale di S.Pietro & Fatebenefratelli" built in the 11th Century on the ruins of a 4th century sanatorium  
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Welcome to the Old World...  

Incidentally, if anyone should thing I am being sarcastic, and takes offense for something not aimed at him, my apologies.

I may be ironic, or sometimes a little sardonic to strike back at whomever takes a swing at me.

But, overall, I try to be objective.

I know the cons of my society. I try to uphold the pros.

Anybody who loves his Country, would  

Bergamo isn't your typical tourist destination; it's like expecting a major tourist organization in Fargo, ND.

Bergamo is quite a bit more than Fargo..... I'd say it's more like Nashville or perhaps Salt Lake City.

The Lord's Supper painting is there, Brembo Brakes HQ and a mfg plant is there,  which is why I was there to begin with and Bergamo has an upper historic city area surrounded by thick walls, sort of like a giant castle. I remember many old buildings etc.... it was a neat place to visit. I was there early in the afternoon and found a Irish bar which struck me as odd. I was about the only one there and the cuter than anything young bartender was studying her English. I helped her out a bit and taught her Midwestern phrases that I don't think she understood very well. It was raining so I was explaining 'raining cats and dogs'....
There's a tram running up and down the large hill leading to the upper city. It was undergoing maintenance when I left so I walked back down to my hotel and the houses on the hill side were amazing. Better than anything you see on those southern California hillsides.

Are you sure you're from Italy Mpes......?

Yes, I'm sure I'm from Italy.

And if Bergamo won't equate to Fargo, ND, it will certainly equate to Rochester, NY in your history.
Nice, but not a milestone such as Venice, Milan, Padua, Florence... Rome...

Personally speaking, I can trace my ancestry back in time enough to before Napoleon invaded Italy, when Florence was an independent Grand Duchy (father) and Istria was under Venice (mother).

But I don't feel bad about Napoleon invading Italy, hey, he brought wine (no, wait, we already had that) and secular laws (no, we already had those too) and freed the South from Spanish rule (yeah, tell me about French rule!) and the North from ...

... no, actually, save for the Spanish "Kingdom of the Two Sicilies", Italy was pretty much independent. and pret-ty well off, too!

A patchwork of small, medium and large size Feudal States, perhaps, but so were the rest of nations in Europe.

Yet, THE place to be and THE place to study was still Italy.

True, Cambridge and Oxford and King's College, London were big provided you were English.
BUT
Copernicus studied in Krakow (Poland) then in Bologna and Ferrara before brushing up the Heliocentric Theory of ancient greek philosopher Aristarcus to claim "the SUN is the center of the Universe!"

Venice was a 1000-y.o. Republic when Napoleon invaded from land.
Genoa was a 900 y.o. Republic when Napoleon... invaded from land.
Pisa was still very much alive and kicking when the Hansa league cities of the North and Baltic Seas were very much decadent.

Go ahead and throw stuff at me.

Mud, snow and sh!t all behave in the same way when they fall on a pitched roof,

they trickle off and leave me to bask in the sun...  

funny Mpes, I thought about Rochester NY, but the more I think about it, the more Salt Lake City fits as Bergamo's 'sister city'.

Bottom line, you took a shot at my country, I'm returning fire.

..but seriously, tell all the Italians to have children before you disappear...

WebsterMark wrote on 02/04/14 at 10:27:52:


That is the ONE point where we agree. By the time I retire (2-4 years from now) there will be almost as many retired as there are on the owrk force.

NOT a happy perspective, not at all.

Regardless of the hows and whys Italians have 1.2 children per family (as opposed to the "2.4" regarded as the least minimum for any one civilization to survive) the reason is not egotism.

In the old days, a sterile family wopild split legally (one of the very very few reasons when the Church itself would grant the nulment of Holy Matrimony) and the two "ex"s would try a new life.

These days, they will adopt one (ONE) but Italian laws are so incredibly stringent it is actually easier to adopt one from Romania than from Italy itself!

Also, in the old daysone would live close to his lace of work, often walk 20-30' to work; these days, it's 60' by car if not 90' by train.

If, in a family of two working professionals (who am I to push women back to do the housework?) even one semester off for maternity leave means that's all you'll ever get.