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ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
01/13/14 at 06:34:40
 


ARM chipsets to start showing up in desktop and laptop products in a BIGGER way in 2014.






The newest ARM chipsets from Tegra and Krait and whatever Samsung is going to call its 2014 latest and greatest are going to start lapping the Intel Bay Trail crew for both processor power and for graphics ability.  

Yup, and according to recent independent tests, the new 64 bit generation takes a  nibble out of the current mainstream Intel laptop chipsets as well (and that is what is surprising).

http://liliputing.com/2014/01/nvidia-tegra-k1-benchmarks-depict-the-fastest-a...

http://wccftech.com/tegra-k1-superchip-benchmarks-revealed-4-times-faster-teg...

In fact, WCCF Tech shows the K1 outpacing laptops with Intel Haswell processors and Intel HD 4200 or HD 4400 graphics in at least one test.

In other words — notebook-level graphics are on their way to devices with low-power, ARM-based chips.

That could include mobile devices such as phones and tablets. And as the Lenovo ThinkVision 28 shows, it could also be a sign that ARM-based chips may be just about powerful enough for notebook and desktop devices.








What does this really mean?

Somebody has to put up a real ARM general purpose OS up on the table, soon.  

These 21" to 28" all in one products are now shipping from ALL the major players and they look very good and the cost is close to right now too.

Problem is that stock Android as currently configured really doesn't do them justice other than a glorified entertainment consumption device.

They are as capable as a Wintel machine for doing real work starting this year, but the real general purpose OS to back that up isn't up on the table yet .....
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #1 - 01/13/14 at 09:27:43
 
Yup, touch screens will take the place of laptops soon, especially with an accessory like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-Laser-Virtual-Keyboard-Mouse-Projector-Magi...

Of course we hope the price will drop on this thing... it is very small as it is, so I don't think they can miniaturize it much more.
And if they incorporate the idea in with a touchscreen, it would be an awesome machine, whats next? a projectable mouse?
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #2 - 01/13/14 at 16:28:07
 
There are several flavors of Linux that work and play very well with ARM.  Now, they've got to get the expansion capabilities there too. You can never have too much memory or hard drive space.

I know, I know, they think a 32 gig SD card is more than enough. I'm thinking a few hundred terabytes might be approaching enough for a small home system.  I feel really constrained with the almost 2 tb I have now.

Seems most of the tablet makers don't even think you need USB except as a device (no USB host).

Nevermind...nobody will ever come out with anything decent that is affordable, expandable, and useable for everyday computing.  As has been mentioned before, they consider a computer these days to be a media consumption device not something to do actual work.  They're just going to make giant tablets.
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #3 - 01/13/14 at 17:00:31
 

Yes, Ubuntu is going to take a real try at it on the next LTS version, due to hit the mirrors 04/2014.

Ubuntu is going to be very selective about what ARM devices they support first off, so they can do a decent enough job on the limited number of things they include first off.

They will likely do the Google Nexus devices and just a very few other very popular upper end devices .....

But 5 long years of support comes along with a LTS version.    So 14.04 LTS might well pick up some extra devices over the 5 long years the LTS version spans.

So, while MS is still fumbling about in their catatonic state of headlessness during the first part of this year both Ubuntu and Google Chrome may well be making some progress, both  in picking up new hardware partners and in writing some good solid software that CAN be supported in the long term.  

Meanwhile look for MS to crank up some new legal actions and be dispersing FUD at whoever looks to be making some real progress, be it Ubuntu or Google.

Windows 9 release is currently being called "Threshold" and MS internal memos have referred to it as a "make or break" release as it will come to the party nearly 2 years from now and if it flops, it is likely impossible for MS to overcome the market penetration that the new open source OS products may have achieved in the next 2 years.

Chrome OS is doing well on laptops and Android is king on phones and tablets right now.    MS market share is currently shrinking as a year on year percentage, the shrinkage being driven by Win 8 sucking so very badly AND the great big HUGE increase in the overall size of the world of computing, both items combined making MS move way way down in total market share over the next 2 years.


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When there is a real functional ARM desktop OS or two that can do the entire span of computing, then MS has some real competition other than Apple.  

And Apple is increasing by 13% on the desktop just this past quarter, so I'd say all the balls that are being dropped on the desktop by MS are going over to Apple right now.  

When Ubuntu and Google Chrome get it right, then Apple won't get as much new growth as they have been getting since Apple is still very very pricey right now.  

Plus, the newest Apple processor isn't even "processor superior" to the new Allwinner A80 chipset, much less the new 64 bit super chips coming out soon from the ARM big boys.

IF Ubuntu can manage to support A80, K1 Tegra, Krait 805, etc. on just the most popular devices then the world might just revolve right out from under MS while they thrash aimlessly about in the snow awaiting a new head being sewed on.

Remember, all that existing MS market share that is called XP will age out this year as MS dumps off the XP security updates and support in 2014-- the old XP hardware may start to swing over to Ubuntu in a larger fashion than it already has.  

Also, realize that if Novell goes under then the networking backbone of the MS world may indeed shrivel and evaporate -- and that has got to affect things to promote the further IT based "Rise of the Chromebooks" that we saw this past year.

If Ubuntu and/or ChromeOS can put out a commanding presence on all three of the big platforms using the same interface enough so to become a viable commercial general OS in the eyes of the computing public ....  then MS is gonna be hurting for certain.  

Free is sorta hard to compete against.

Now, a new MS CEO might crack the whip on the backs of the MS silo boys and make them work together better and produce a really nice Win 9 software release, and then he might choose to price it better so as to win some ground back.

...... but how likely is that, really ???
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #4 - 01/14/14 at 10:20:42
 
http://liliputing.com/2014/01/chrome-android-faster-efficient-end-year.html

http://www.zdnet.com/acer-chief-executive-j-t-wang-resigns-on-q3-record-loss-...

http://liliputing.com/2014/01/acer-blames-its-ultrabooks-for-financial-losses...

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/17/acer-q4-2013-financials-pay-cuts/

$700,000,000 losses, write-offs and pay cuts: It's just a regular day at Acer after following Wintel's lead last year.

Yup, Acer was one of the Wintel loyalists who drank deeply of the Ultrabook cool-aid and their 2013 sales "jest plumb died" last year because of it.   At $700,000,000 Acer's losses are only beaten by Microsoft, Nokia and Blackberry --- some sad company to be in for sure.



Acer blames its ultrabooks for financial losses, promises new strategy in 2014

Acer is not happy with Intel's reference design for the super thin laptop and they feel that Microsoft's Win 8 operating system is pushing customers away at this point in time.

The more recent Aspire S7 line feature attractive glass lids and super-slim and light cases. But they’re expensive and until Acer updated the S7 with Haswell processor options, they were power-hungry devices with poor battery life and noisy fans.

Acer is also one of the whole big WAD of vendors announcing new Chromebooks for 2014, and it is thought they will drop the over-expensive Ultra book concept for something a little more realistic.


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Meanwhile, back on the reasonable, cheap end of things ....

Chrome for Android to be faster, more efficient by the end of this year

Chrome for Android has come a long way in a short period of time, but Google’s planning on making it even better by the end of this year. Over on the Blink Google Group, engineer Eric Seidel has shed some light on Google’s goals for the browser in 2014.

The overarching goals won’t come as a shock. By the end of this year, Chrome for Android should be faster, more responsive, and more efficient than ever.

Google’s already done plenty of work on those areas. Data compression arrived in 2013 to help us save bandwidth and make sluggish connections feel speedier. Most recently, they figured out how to reduce input lag on touch-friendly mobile websites. This year, the focus will be on fine tuning the Blink rendering engine.

Seidel wants Blink to be as efficient as possible on Android, both in terms of power consumption and memory use. He also wants to make sure that it gives Chrome the edge on other mobile browsers, challenging his team to grab the #1 rank on “credible [and] realistic benchmarks.”



So, you got Wintel pushing the overly expensive Apple + price range at us and flopping marvelously and you got Google jest outright planning to lap the high end boys performance-wise on their chromebooks using the new 2014 crop of cheap, powerful and very fast ARM processors.

Like I said earlier, Intel has got to come out with a new list of faster, stronger and cheaper vaporware mobile processors real quick like or they may get their shorts pulled up on them all hard-like again by Google/ARM.

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..... and somebody's gotta/gonna be dropping the first full range ARM OS out on the table right soon, too --- the time for it has finally come.
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #5 - 01/15/14 at 01:19:42
 
http://www.zdnet.com/acer-c720-chromebook-first-impressions-fast-and-cheap-70...


So, how is Acer doing on its Chromebook based recovery program to stop losing money on the upper end Wintel stuff?


Acer C720 Chromebook first impressions: Fast and cheap




Chromebooks are not exactly mainstream but the new models now appearing may change that. The new model from Acer is leveraging the Intel Haswell processor to leave the rest behind.

Acer is not a stranger to the Chromebook world and the new C720 is looking to outperform the rest of the pack. The decision to use an Intel Celeron with Haswell technology was a sound one by Acer based on our hands-on testing. The Acer C720 Chromebook is the fastest model we've tested with the exception of the $1,200 Pixel by Google.
Acer C720 Chromebook side profile(Image: James Kendrick/ZDNet)

What makes the presence of the Haswell Celeron so unusual is that Acer is able to use it while keeping the price of the C720 at $249.99. That makes this Chromebook an outstanding value given the performance compared to the ARM and Atom Chromebooks on the market.


So, you have a review from an old school Wintel lover who says that the new direction Acer is taking is fast and inexpensive and out of the gate they came up with a combo that is "leading the pack".

IE,  Acer has become competitive again and will survive.

So will the reviewer.   He has finally gotten over his bias (mostly) and is beginning to understand the Chromebook / Google world well enough to actually write a review.

This is not unusual -- people like what they know how to use.   Going cloud based takes a learning curve of sorts and older folks (reviewers included) are not going to go there willingly.

But all of them say the same thing, it is quick and fast and the cloud stuff isn't bad once you understand how to use it.

Google is growing the Chrome experience quickly as the "expert reviews" on Chrome have become much more detailed and as Google sees needs it is providing the solutions by background update very quickly.

That's something else to get used to ....   no antivirus, no weekly Tuesday updates., no defragging.    You IT department doesn't have to do much except issue the machines originally and kept track of the asset numbers.

You log into a machine and your experience is up to date right now (and if your local load requires something it happens silently while you use it).

Businesses have begun to trust Google with their Chromebook background services -- actually MS has been just as deep into your stuff as Google is for years and years now, they just were clumsier about it.

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The conversation by Windows lovers is CHANGING ...
Reply #6 - 01/15/14 at 01:39:02
 

OK, this article needs to be read complete with the conversations down in the comments below.

You are seeing the conversation change in the General Computing World from What Can Windows Do, to an actual functional comparison between Intel's current offerings and ARM's current offerings.

The inference now is that both can do the job, but which can do it cheaper and better?

Intel is trying to keep relevant by offering better processors, and indeed the Bay Trail has done relatively well against last year's ARM chipsets.

Now the true competition begins, with magazine writers pitting the equipment and hardware directly against each other on a level enough playing field.

And surprise !!!!   Intel CAN sell a processor down at an ARM price when they want to !!!!

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http://www.zdnet.com/chromebooks-unlikely-battlefield-for-intel-vs-arm-700002...


Chromebooks: Unlikely battlefield for Intel vs. ARM

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Now, the reviewer is using two different generations of products in his comparison, which has no test data in it, just his impressions using two products that he already had on hand.

And he gets a few ARM facts sorta/kinda wrong because he is quoting some old info that is as old as one of his machines.   (btw, it was true back then)

BUT, he IS attempting to do his comparisons on a "how good does it work for you basis" which is refreshing.

What is AMAZING is the comments made down below and the CHANGE in perceptions by the folks writing them.

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I love it because it is a group of hard core Windows lovers both as the casual comments and for the reviewer himself.   They are changing now as well.
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Re: ARM chipsets showing up in desktop and laptop
Reply #7 - 01/16/14 at 07:08:26
 

When it rains, it pours .....

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I guess this is an expected follow up by the Cheapie Chinese lacrosse stick equipped football players.

Several of the CC guys got them a bigger more modern lacrosse stick so now ALL CC guys have to have them  a new, bigger stick with which to whack each other on the noggin with.

http://liliputing.com/2014/01/huaweis-first-octa-core-cpu-ready.html

Huawei’s first octa-core CPU is ready



Both of Huawei's new processors are 28nm chips with support for Chinese 4G LTE networks. The octa-core processor uses ARM’s big.LITTLE architecture to pair 4 Cortex-A15 cores with 4 lower-power Cortex-A7 CPU cores.

It’s also possible that Huawei is getting ready to introduce its first 64-bit chip based on an ARMv8 design. Engadget reports that Yu made a post about 64-bit chips on Chinese social network Sina Weibo.

Roll Eyes


..... you do know this means octa-core level power is going to become the new norm and laptop performance level chipsets
are going to be running around all over the place by the end of this year, right?

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