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Allwinner A80 hits reality
12/31/13 at 08:09:29
 
http://liliputing.com/2013/12/allwinner-a80-optimus-board.html



I find it very amusing that the hottest ARM chipset in the world took Samsung and ARM two tries and 2 years to get it completely right.

Allwinner waits until it is right (and all drivers are done and in the Linux kernel) then does it in only 6 months.

Now I tend to believe them a little bit better when they say "laptop chipset octa core all A-15 bigs in 2014" since they let fly with the A80 in 2013 just like they said they would.

Notice there isn't a heat sink on that chipset ??   Samsung's octa required a right sizeable heat sink but it was done at 28nm lithography level and we still don't know what lithography level this A80 chip was done at.  

Nor are we sure exactly which video GPU is used on the chipset ..... it has never been announced yet.   Allwinner may be smart and has made samples using both VR graphics and Mali to see which one has the best drivers, throughput, etc.

Nor have any claims been made for speed, either.   Once again, until all samples are tried out and the final design path finally evaluated it would be smarter to stand mute about throughtput speed, etc.

18-20nm from TSCM is out there now in production for the early production items like Samsung and Apple's newest chipsets ......   If Allwinner used the smallest TSCM lithography then the much higher speeds that were leaked verbally at the last show might be close to reality (and it would perhaps explain the board picture with no heat sink on the chipset).



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Re: Allwinner A80 hits reality
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Re: Allwinner A80 hits reality
Reply #2 - 01/01/14 at 09:08:22
 

Predictions for the big computer show that takes place in 7 days in Las Vegas.

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Microsoft puts up a BIG booth but has nothing really to say but some vaguely worded promises for new new in 3-4th quarter of this year.
You may get an announcement of a new CEO out of them.

Apple and Samsung have lots of 64 bit to say, with vague implementation dates.

The Chinese Cheapie guys have lots to say, and some products to announce.   (they will be pounding on each other's heads right vigorously with them lacross sticks, as always).

Google will show existing stuff but not announce anything new at the show.   They will rigorously  dodge all the questions about forming a real OS out of ChromeOS or Android.

ARM may announce some minor revision/refinement of the next A12/A53/A57 step to include some A15 older generation enhancements to allow Mali graphics cores to work better with the main cores and to allow some sea of cores techniques to work with the older A15 and A7 generation.   They have to do this because people are just now letting go of the A9 generation and they show all signs they will drag the A15 generation along for several more years, well past the planned 64bit expiration date.

Intel will announce some new future mobile chipsets to better compete in the phone/tablet space now that they are actually in it and understand it better.    Intel's PRICE must come down, and Intel knows that.

Expect to see names not heard before as the Korean, Chinese and Indochinese phone companies come to the show for the very first time.

Watch Mediatek, Allwinner and Rockchip as they will define what will be built that you can actually afford.   Watch to see which normal US carriers pick up them odd sounding oriental phone lines and add them to their normal lines of stuff.

Expect Ubuntu to be there, showing an cheerful willingness to work with governments (China, Germany, France, S. Korea and you name it governments) to create a totally customized national fully home language supported long term version of their Linux software fully suitable for secure governmental use.   Governments are a big customer right now for secure operating systems and software (and a right unhappy ex-customer of MS products).  

Microsoft has left a big chink in their armor and can't seem to even acknowledge their past errors right now.  Ubuntu is in the process of being accepted as a real serious general purpose OS in much of the rest of the world while MS lies paralyzed in the snow waiting for their new CEO to ride in on the white horse to save them.
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Re: Allwinner A80 hits reality
Reply #3 - 01/03/14 at 10:28:06
 
http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/12/10/teclast-t97-air-tablet-features-allwin...



First blood for the A80, a super tablet that supposedly cranks 40,000 points in the new Antutu test.   That would put it up over the top of the current crop of ARM or any of the Intel or Apple processors.

Also, if you will remember,  just a few months back Samsung was slammed hard by Apple for being "too technologically slow" to supply them any chips for their next generation.   I warned Samsung then that if the cheapie guys lapped them technologically that this moniker would begin to smell real instead of just being a marketing slam by Apple.

Now Samsung's new 5420 chip gets up close to these numbers and it is being replaced with a 64 bit high performance chipset soon, so Samsung is NOT technologically slow (they had the first gen of this octa-core stuff out two years ago after all).

Who is coming off technologically slow now is APPLE, who is swinging a dual core 64 bit chip that is getting wiped away by several of the current production ARM Chinese cheapie chipsets using the old A15 last generation designs.

When the Allwinner A90 octa core A15 (bigs only) hits silicone Apple may be buying them to put in their laptops .....   (much better chip, lower cost).    

Apple is sniffing at AMD to make them some advanced 64 bit chipsets based off of their data center line of ARM chipsets combined with the best of the AMD video offerings.    

Apple MUST be perceived as better, to justify their astronomical high product costs.

Samsung is already buying some Mediatek chipsets rather than continuing their own production of the same sort of chip (better chip, much cheaper price).

The Chinese cheapie guys are just doing better and better all the time.  They will become HUGE as they are riding the worldwide wave of computerization and the old US based firms simply aren't even in those markets at all .....    

None of the old school guys will be on top at the end of the next few years apparently.   All will be relatively small regional guys by then.


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ANTUTU TESTING


Antutu is the benchmark most used in mobil testing.   It has just been revised to remove a lot of the cheating possibilities that have been taken advantage of in the past by quite a lot of the processor vendors.

Samsung has been hit by this change as has Intel and all the rest of the crew.  

Lots of chips have been designed in the last year or so specifically to maximize their resulting Antutu numbers.  Intel's little energy nanny chip's software was certainly written around the old Antutu's testing requirements very specifically.

When re-tested by the new Honest Anatutu specs all of them cheater boys took around 20% hits in reported Antutu performance.
 

The current Honest Antutu ranking goes like this -- Snapdragon 800, Snapdragon 600, Tegra 4, Intel Bay Trail, Samsung 5410 Octa core, then all the rest of the little guys.   If Allwinner is telling the truth, they are now at the top of the top 3 in Antutu ratings, certainly well over Intel and Tegra 4.

Intel, who likes to "customize" their performance and energy reporting numbers by using their own personal test methods has simply continued lying with the old numbers in all their ads since the New Honest Antutu puts them in middle of the pack now instead of up at the top as they very correctly think they must be in order to justify their astronomical chip prices.

30,000 was the old top end ceiling mark for the old Antutu test results and if Allwinner's A80 just busted a 40,000 on either the new or the old test it certainly signals a new pack leader in top end performance.

...... and it ain't Intel or Samsung.

Intel must announce some new vaporware chips soon that promise increased performance, lower energy use and lower prices.   If they don't then Intel is going back into the can as the new Antutu testing has just showed them to be only so-so in performance, relatively poor in energy use and at EXTREMELY HIGH PRICES.

Stupid choices, in other words.

The new Allwinner chipsets may well be the thumb that grinds Intel back into the mobil dust again.   If the new not-yet-released Rockchip A12 chipsets do the same thing, then Intel is in real trouble again.
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