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12/30/13 at 18:23:30
 
in brief, the situation is this: I bought a new mechanical heart for my baby. at first glance it seems that it is completely new. but when viewed from the cylinder head and everything there is I found: on the cam lobes i found little "shell", which are like fish scales. they are not deep and not felt fingers. measurements showed that all dimensions are almost like new, wear, heat or shock I don,t saw. I only have one moment confusing these shells as is "scary" for longevity and health of the engine? if possible, as a "cure"?
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Reply #1 - 12/30/13 at 19:08:13
 
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Reply #2 - 12/31/13 at 08:18:18
 
wambr:

The photos are not focused on the lobes, and they don't help us to know what they look like.  The cam should be bright and shiny.....and not pitted.  It could be not having enough ZDDP in the oil could promote this condition.

Without better photos I would suggest you be sure to use a good oil with 1,400 ppm of ZDDP to keep it running as long as possible.

What do the rockers look like?
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Reply #3 - 12/31/13 at 10:46:37
 
OK! I will try to shoot as anything else. and rockers camshaft separately....but it through day or two... but tomorrow I'll come to work again.
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Reply #4 - 12/31/13 at 10:51:13
 
Dave, please explain in more detail-what does it mean ZDDP?
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Reply #5 - 12/31/13 at 11:19:21
 
I don't know how it works, but mine sure runs better with shell rotella.

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Reply #6 - 01/01/14 at 09:39:24
 
wambr wrote on 12/31/13 at 10:51:13:
Dave, please explain in more detail-what does it mean ZDDP?

It's an additive that's in all automotive oils but i think most motorcycles require higher levels.
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Reply #7 - 01/01/14 at 14:31:07
 
wambr wrote on 12/31/13 at 10:51:13:
Dave, please explain in more detail-what does it mean ZDDP?


ZDDP is an additive that contains Zinc and Phospate.  All oils used to have 1,200 ppm give or take a little - howeve the amount of ZDDP has been cut in half in most modern oils to satisfy the Evironmental Protection Agency as they believe the ZDDP will foul oxygen sensors and Catalytic Converters over time.  The high levels of ZDDP are necessary in any engine that does not have roller lifters or roller rockers.  Our Savage is a primitive design and has solid flat rockers, and it needs a high level of ZDDP (1,200 - 1,400 ppm) in order to protect the cam and the rockers from being damaged.

Here is the thread on the ZDDP from the Technical Section.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565

Unfortunately even motorycle oils are being reformulated as motorycles are getting oxygen sensors and catalytic converters.  Most of us use Shell Rotella T or Rotella T-6 if you want a syntetic.  It has the right amount of ZDDP, it is very affodable, it does not have friction modifiers that can cause the clutch to slip, and it works great.

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Reply #8 - 01/02/14 at 08:04:09
 
thank you guys for your explanation! I will continue... after several unsuccessful attempts to photograph the defects Cams camshaft I realized that my camera is impossible to do it... so I'll try to describe in words". these defects are like traces of rust... such a small point. but I guess I can remove them with fine sandpaper, glued to the wooden block. what do you say about this guys? upon further inspection revealed another bit of interesting facts . when I  remove  cylinder head, i found, that the Japanese  who sold me this engine is apparently a great hurry, and collected all of the "curves hands" (he just sketched all the parts inside, as in the trash) and not very carefully. I don't know why, but the gap between the cylinder and the piston amounted to approximately 1.6-1,7мм. piston has a size of 87,8mm and cylinder 88mm. cylinder rather not bad. and this is also borne out by the piston rings. the gap in their joints within the norm. even were found leak in the exhaust valves. but this is not the problem-grind them to me not difficult. crankshaft while still in the collected crankcase and shows not a bad condition. based on the described-advise me guys-whether further disassemble the engine or you can calm down? all that is in the crankcase much wear or not? let me remind you that I have an idea to install this engine instead of "old". old had already covered already more than 40000 miles.
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Re: new mechanical heart... a little question
Reply #9 - 01/02/14 at 08:50:27
 
If you have a point-and-shoot camera (compact), try putting it into "macro" mode - often shown as a tulip symbol. This gives you a chance to shoot objects at 10-20cm distance with good focus. Just a tip Smiley
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Reply #10 - 01/02/14 at 09:05:36
 
thanks Bluesman! I tried anything... just these defective places are at the top of camlobes . in a picture them getting the glare from the flash or from the lamp(when I describe the lamp). and they are quite small in size...
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Reply #11 - 01/02/14 at 10:05:20
 
WAMBR.

With the piston size you qouted....I can only imagine that the engine is a 400cc instead of the 650cc which has a 94mm bore.

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Reply #12 - 01/02/14 at 10:44:18
 
Yes, Dave, almost so.. engine savage 400 has another crankshaft with a lower stroke . the main gaps in these engines are the same.
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Reply #13 - 01/02/14 at 11:22:07
 
wambr:

The engine you your bike at 40,000 miles may have a lot more life left in it.  Here is a link to a fellow that turned 100,000 miles on his Savage and it never has had the engine rebuilt.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366983788

It has had cam chains and other maintenance issues - but the crankcase, piston and cylinder and cranks are all original.  If you keep up on the maintenance and use a good oil.....you have a lot of life left.  Most damage to the Savage engine comes from letting the oil run low, having too low of idle speed, running oil with too little ZDDP, or letting the cam chain tensioner extend to far and come apart.

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Reply #14 - 01/02/14 at 20:43:27
 
cool! thank you for the link, Dave.
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