pg wrote on 01/02/14 at 14:36:53:the Talmud teaches Jesus was crucified and buried in Hell ?
What is so odd about that ? The Catholic and Anglican Churches teach exactly the same thing !!!
You must be kidding; although, I generally don't detect much satire from your posts. Also what does the Torah reflect on this subject?
Hello PGAMBR, no I am not kidding, but unless you are Catholic or Orthodox or Lutheran or Episcopal (the US version of the Church of England, aka Anglicans) I have noticed there is a lot missing from Protestant Theology.
Please note that, to the best of my understanding, only the four listed above have a true Priestly class, all other Protestant denominations apparently do not have a"Seminary" where candidates study to be consacrated Priests. So one may feel "the calling" but may often lack the availability of the necessary theological education as found in a network of seminaries.
Here is the original text of the "SYMBOLUM" aka "The Creed of the Apostles". The bold part is the one I am referring to.
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, Creatorem caeli et terrae,
et in Iesum Christum, Filium Eius unicum, Dominum nostrum,
qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus, descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis, ascendit ad caelos,
sedet ad dexteram Patris omnipotentis,
inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,
sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem,remissionem peccatorum,carnis resurrectionem,vitam aeternam.
Amen.[20]Here is also the translation into English (pity you didn't care to check the link, Wikipedia too chyallenging for you ?
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I believe in God,the Father almighty,Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;on the third day he rose again from the dead;he ascended into heaven,and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
in the holy catholic Church,the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins,the resurrection of the body,and life everlasting. Amen.[23][24]
Church of England[edit]
In the Church of England there are currently two authorized forms of the creed: that of the Book of Common Prayer
(1662) and that of Common Worship (2000).
Book of Common Prayer[25][26][27]
I believe in God the Father Almighty,Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;The third day he rose again from the dead;He ascended into heaven,And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy Catholick Church;The Communion of Saints;The Forgiveness of sins;The Resurrection of the body,And the Life everlasting.Amen.
Common Worship[28]
I believe in God, the Father almighty,creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;he ascended into heaven,he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins,the resurrection of the body,and the life everlasting.Amen.
Lutheran Church[edit]
Lutheran Service Book
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heavenand sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church, the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins,the resurrection of the body,and the life everlasting.
Amen.[29]
The creed is footnoted in the LSB for the word "Christian." It states, "Christian: the ancient text reads "catholic," meaning the whole Church as it confesses the wholeness of Christian doctrine."[30]
The United Methodists commonly incorporate the Apostles' Creed into their worship services. The version which is most often used is located at #881 in the United Methodist Hymnal, one of their most popular hymnals and one with a heritage to John Wesley, founder of Methodism.[33][34]
It is notable for omitting the line "he descended into hell", but is otherwise very similar to the Book of Common Prayer version. The 1989 Hymnal has both the traditional version and the 1988 ecumenical version (see below), which includes "he descended to the dead."
So, what do we see ? We see that many (modern) variations, especially among Protestant denominations, have translated "
descedit ad inferos" not as "
descended into hell" but as "
descended to the dead".
Where is the difference ? There is none, provided you are not Christian but Graeco-Roman, and sacrifice to Jupiter, because "Inferos" was the collective Kingdom of the Dead, be they good or bad.
(See the Odyssey and Ulysses' descent into Hades to speak to his mother and to Achilles, to name one example)
But if you are Christian and separate Heaven from Hell, "Inferos" has only one meaning.
You have the floor, Sir