The us government spends 10 billion dollars a DAY. How much aid does the us give to Israel a year?

About 8 1/2 hours worth. One typical work shift. I'll take that.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/02/14 at 05:04:19:


Germany started that way, concentrating the Jews in certain localities they could not leave without papers, after taking their property from them first. South Africa created nations within a nation.

Hitler said they were the "master race". Some in Israel refer to themselves as the "chosen people". When you do that, you tend to narrow your choices, and employ ruthless means to achieve your ends.

Israel is fighting on our dime, wasting our money.  Every shift worker put the time in to earn that money, and they didn't work an 8 to 10 hour day for Israel to get a freebie.

Waste, it's hard enough for the US to pay its bills as it is. Run up the US credit card some more, saddle our kids with some more debt.
Give Israel some more tanks and missiles.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/02/14 at 10:27:54:

I try not to ignore facts. I always try to support my claims. I think the issue that gets in the way is how a liberal interprets events vs how a conservative might interpret the same events. The hassle is that all of the information we have comes through someone else. People in government and positions of power know how to "spin". So who has the real truth?
That is why I use the "body count numbers" - those are real. I don't like killing, and I don't believe fighting is always the last resort. I would like to see Israel and Palestine work out an agreement where fewer people die.
I look at South Africa's reconciliation process as a possible way to go. Who knows, but I don't want to contribute my tax dollars to war. Tired of it and nothing good comes of it.

Read accounts of Israel's wall and how they police it.
They would do better to give equal rights to the Palestinians and treat them like fellow humans. The violence would fade.

I try not to ignore facts. I always try to support my claims. I think the issue that gets in the way is how a liberal interprets events vs how a conservative might interpret the same events. The hassle is that all of the information we have comes through someone else. People in government and positions of power know how to "spin". So who has the real truth?
That is why I use the "body count numbers" - those are real. I don't like killing, and I don't believe fighting is always the last resort. I would like to see Israel and Palestine work out an agreement where fewer people die.
I look at South Africa's reconciliation process as a possible way to go. Who knows, but I don't want to contribute my tax dollars to war. Tired of it and nothing good comes of it.

Read accounts of Israel's wall and how they police it.
They would do better to give equal rights to the Palestinians and treat them like fellow humans. The violence would fade.

Calling this ethnic cleansing as a fact when it is demonstrably not is ignoring facts. Using South Africa as an example is a poor one because the black underclass of South Africa were not attacking from another location and they did not have the complete destruction of whites as their goal. There is very little on common between the two situations.

Israel manages their wall in a manner that keeps them safe. If the Palestinians want to be treated like humans, they should start acting like humans. They, and they alone, are to blame for all this. This heavy on and off again fighting has been going on for 30 - 40 years. That's a long time to begin building an identity for your own nation but instead they have spent the time building suicide vest and digging tunnels.   They've had plenty of opportunities to accept peace, even in this latest event, but they reject it and continue fighting. The blood of every civilian rest on the hands of Hamas leadership and the Palestinian population that allows them to exist.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/02/14 at 05:04:19:


You don't need guns to kill people, especially an entire population.

Bulldoze their farms and pour concrete into their water wells.

Impose a naval blockade and shoot at "enemy supplies" (=foreign humanitarian aid) (see the Turkish freighters that were attacked and members of its crew killed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid



Impose a ban on anything imported by land, including medicines and vaccines. Those only arrive from Egypt.

Impose time consuming searches on anybody and anything that crosses the border into Israel so that any worker will be forever late to work, or have to show up at the border at 3a.m. to reach the workplace by 9...
...and search them again when they go home so they reach their families no earlier than 9p.m. ... starve them of their sleep...

Make sure you have "a friend in Paradise" who will veto any and all UNSC Resolution when you are clearly, blatantly and shamefully violating human rights... the USA will always veto any UNSC Resolution condemning Israel...

Make sure the USA will also veto any request to have UN Peace Observers in Gaza and/or the West Bank, so that "what happens in Palestine, stays in Palestine".

Now, tell me... if a goose-crazy individual were to pour a few hundred ebola viruses in the Mississippi, or in Lake Superior, or in the Colorado River... thus affecting the drinking water supply of half the US population...
... would that classify the act as terrorism ? Is bulldozing wells and sealing them in concrete... terrorism ?

As I said, you don't need guns to kill people.

I loathe Hamas and despise those who fund Hamas (Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and Qatar) but nobody will take any actions against the fund-raisers...

Do not confuse cause and effect. Go back to the end of the 1st Arab-Israeli war, study what happened since... since the 1950's...
Ask yourselves what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Christian Palestinians who were the richer, more educated half of ther population...

Now watch my Youtube clip again, ask yourselves what happened to those villages, to those people.

That, ladies and gentlemen, IS ethnic cleansing.

"the Palestinians are hiding behind civilians "

This is another "induced mistake" created by the media.

First of all, it is definitely difficult to find a safe place for cover when the Gaza Strip is the most densely populated place in the world, and they bomb ... even UN HQs and Safe Havens...  
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/outrage-as-israel-bombs-u...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_in_the_Gaza_War
"A United Nations inquiry into attacks on UN personnel or facilities during the Gaza War concluded that Israel had fired on U.N. personnel or facilities on eight separate incidents. The Board found no evidence that U.N. facilities had been used to launch attacks against the IDF. However, the Board's findings conclude only that violation of the inviolability of U.N. premises had occurred..."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-un-school-hit-201473041...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-s...

Secondly, one hears about "Palestinians" and is made to think "terrorists!", when the word simply identifies a person of a certain ethnic, or cultural, or historic origin.

Actually, there are quite a few famous Palestinians who interact with our lives every day...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinians

Emily Jacir, my wife's cousin, is the first who comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Jacir

Said Musa, believe it or not, is/was the Prime Minister of Belize
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_Musa

You know this guy ?


DJ Khaled... born in New orleans of Palestinian parents... not to be confused with DJ Khalil...  

How about THIS GUY ?



He was born in Jaffa... and his family fled after the Six Days' War.
Lucky for him, he was Christian, his parents emigrated to Canada.
Many consider him the New Simon Magus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_magus



I will omit listing all the Israeli Palestinians (i.e. who live within the confines of the State of Israel and are Israeli passport holders) who are actually Israely Congressmen.

All the leading Clergy Officials (all denominations Christian) in the Middle east are ethnic/cultural palestinians...
...even Preacher Benny Hill !!!

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An investigation conducted by the UN came to that conclusion. No possible bias there, of course.

And what exactly makes a UN facility inviolate ? Pretending that Hamas doesn't use places like that - along with mosques, hospitals,schools etc. to shelter their weapons and fighters is simply denying reality. Do you honestly believe that an organization that that recruits and uses teenage suicide bombers as weapons cares about it's civilian population.
Hamas wants dead civilians. They are a public relations bonanza.