justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/06/14 at 10:39:47:
When your head is in the sand.......and your mind has been zio-programmed..............dam the facts...... all you can do is state the other person is wrong.........wash....rinse.....repeat....then retreat.

 People, coming to a, ‘New’, country.
 North America.  Settling in. Deciding it is their, ’new’, home.
Displacing  the, ’Native’ Americans,  called,  “Savage Indians”.
Fighting, many, YEARS, of disputes. Creating a, Calvary,  to,
Dispel, Calm, Subdue, etc., the, ’Savage Indians'.
Forming, ‘home guards’.  Making Forts.
And, ‘Clamming land’,  Not just from Indians, but from,
Mexico, Spain, England, France, etc..

How is that different, than:

AUGUSTUS CAESAR, CH’IN SHIH HUANG, CYRUS THE GREAT, ASHOKA THE GREAT, PHARAOH THUTMOSE III OF EGYPT, CHARLEMAGNE, ATILLA THE HUN, TAMERLANE, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, GENGHIS KHAN.

And, a list of names, from long before that.  And a list of names, after that.  And a list of names, going into the future?
It is NO, different than the, Israel/Palestine conflict.

What is ‘different’ ????  Both of those, ’sides’,
Get,  YOUR MONEY.  !!!!!!!
STOP,  ‘YOUR’, money from going to  BOTH, sides.
And let, them, sort it out.

Gee, how long did it take for, ’North America’, to get sorted out. ?

MnSpring wrote on 07/08/14 at 15:37:14:


The Israelis receive Billions of dollars in weapons from the US every year. The Palestinians receive no armament from the US.

The US government is littered with dual Israeli/American citizens that assist with policy making....there are zero Palestinian/Americans in the US government.

I am all for stopping money going to Israel for purposes of creating war and stealing land. The US should be spending it's money within the US borders on legal US citizens.

[quote author=794A5F4F444C7C424747424E2B0 link=1386878892/120#125 date=1404860613]MnSpring wrote on 07/08/14 at 15:37:14:

 ... The Palestinians receive no armament from the US.  ...  

In your world,  what color are your glasses ?

[quote author=1D3E032022393E37500 link=1386878892/120#127 date=1404860942]RatdogWillie wrote on 07/08/14 at 16:03:33:

MnSpring wrote on 07/08/14 at 15:37:14:

 ... The Palestinians receive no armament from the US.  ...  

In your world,  what color are your glasses ?

Why do you ask?

BOTH, ’sides’, have their head up their arse.

Both sides are, stubborn, and say:   “God is on MY Side”

Both sides, will NEVER solve this, until they put their *>#$&’S, in their pants, and   ‘REALLY” Talk !

I am saying.   I  and   TIRED, of,  PAYING, for BOTH sides to argue !!!!!!!

You, are  FREE, to,  Pay to what ever side you want.
Do NOT ask ME to pay for it !!!!!!!

And, yes, I agree, if the USA,  did, NOT, pay money,
to BOTH, sides. It could be spent, a  WHOLE lot Better, here.

MnSpring wrote on 07/08/14 at 15:37:14:


Hello MnSpring, I have read this post and do not understand your comparing Augustus Caesar, or Charlemagne, or Tuthmose... with the Israeli/Palestinian situaiton.
I will not comment the other famous laders because this is not an academic seminar.

The Romans expanded their dominions, but never displaced the inhabitants. Never. Not once.
Their motto was "you live your life, adore your gods, but pay MY TAXES and fight in MY ARMIES".
Adoration of the Emperor as such came very late in the Empire, there was no adoration of Octavian Augustus Caesar (the first Emperor in the days of Jesus)

Charlemagne was the elder of two  brothers, and when his father, King Pipin the Brief (of few words) died he left in his will that the Kingdom should be divided between his sons.
The result was that one strong and powerful kingdom was split into two smaller, more vulnerable entities.
King Charles was the only one to realize the danger and proposed to reunite, but was met with polite refulas by his brother. As was common in those days, war ensued and Charlemagne won.

Tuthmose... Egyptian King (Pharaoh was a greek word) warred against the Hittites and the Hurrites and other peoples of the North (i.e., anatolian highlends and presend-day Kurdistan) but did not "export" egyptians to the new lands.

The point is, only the anglosaxons followed the custom of warring against other peoples and exporting their own to settle the conquered lands, because England was, de facto, starving.
There is plenty of evidence of this in the occupation of Ireland, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
Why, the English even exported their own to the Falklands !!!

Fast forward to 1946.

After WW2, jews of all sorts of nationalities emigrate to Palestine in such quantities that they soon outnumber the native population.
One of the victorious nations of WW2 is only too happy to help with this emigration process... the Soviet Union.
One of the victorious nations of WW2 has a long history of not keeping promises and creating messes... the United Kingdom.
One of the victorious nations of WW2 was itself born of immigrants who outsted the natives using all sorts of tricks and tactics... the United States.
One of the victorious nations of WW2 was actually guilty of collaborationism with the Nazis during their military occupation... France

So it is obvious that, with France badly in need to launder its reputation and conscience, and the other three seeing the creation of Israel out of thin air as a win-win scenario,
the Jordanian Province of Cis-Jordan (i.e., from the West Bank of the river Jordan to the sea) was destined to a a hopeless invasion.

Now... imagine... the Navaho/Sioux/Cherokee (your favorite here) Nation discover their reservation hides the world's only vein of molecular unobtanium, and strike it rich...
...so incredibly rich, that they strike a deal with the the rich investment bankers in China and India and Brazil and Russia (who cares for Wall Str.? It's too volatile anyway...)

Imagine they strike it so rich they hold the international stock market by the balls...

Imagine they become so powerful they demand their lands back - and China, Brazil, India all second their motion...

Would YOU protest ? After all, your family has been living there for how many generations... ?

So...

On what ground can "Israel" claim to have a right to return to "Palestine" (or Canaan, if you will) when the last sovereign government of the Kingdom of Judah is quoted in the Old Testament and was contemporary to Sparta, before both were conquered by the Romans ? (Read the four Books of maccabees as a historical source)

On what ground can "Israel" claim to have a right to return to "Palestine" (or Canaan, if you will) when the "famous, glorious and powerful" Davidid Dinasty lasted a mere three generations ?
(David, Solomon and Roboam)

On what ground can "Israel" claim to have a right to return to "Palestine" (or Canaan, if you will) when the above mentioned Kingdom is dwarfed by the duration of Roman presence, Crusader presence, not to mention Turkish rule from 1520 to 1920?

It's too late to go back now, there's no turning back.

But just as the Old Testament clearly describes Jewish Kingdoms to be short lived and established through war, and through war disbanded, so I believe that the day when the USA will not have the funds, Israel will have to start thinking "Peace" very, very quickly, or quite simply starve and whither.