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Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a par
10/01/13 at 19:46:13

I asked in a previous forum what type of rtv sealant to use as a valve cover gasket and I think wd said gray? I wanted to make sure this is correct because I saw in a tech topic that y'all use red rtv for the head seal cap.

My next question is I found what looks like to be a small metal dowel rod, it's about an inch maybe inch and a half long and I don't know where it came from, right now my the two cases are open so it must have came out in either one of those? Anyone have any ideas?

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old_rider Serious Thumper Offline Backyard Bill Productions Posts: 3147 flordia panhandle Gender:	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #1 - 10/01/13 at 20:45:21 The dowel rod sounds like one of your case alignment pins...someone more knowledgeable will jump in and help, I have yet to have to pull the head off.
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TheProduct2007 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 90	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #2 - 10/01/13 at 22:18:46 I hope it ain't a pain in the butt to put back in
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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #3 - 10/01/13 at 23:25:01

I doubt that there is whole lot of difference... and I've sealed things with dollar store RTV that worked fine...
... but, when in doubt,... making a seal... use Hondabond, or Yamaboond... This stuff costs triple the cheap stuff, but you use so little, a tube will last you for years...
I know car guys that go to the Honda dealer for Hondabond...
It's grey... and if you fail with Hondabond it's your fault, not the sealant...

...and, isn't it comforting to know,... when you're kicking yer a$$ 'cause it didn't seal,... you're kicking the right person?...
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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #4 - 10/02/13 at 02:59:38

Your head alignment pins are hollow roll pin of some decent size that are oriented around screw holes. There are two of them.

Do you have a Clymers manual?

Can you take and post a digital pic of the pin you are asking about? Take a pic of the cases you refer to having taking apart since you have reposted in a new thread and are separated now from all your past information.

(go up to top of this section and read the posting guidelines for why you don't do this).

There are several solid pins associated with the valve mechanism but they are retained by screws and such. Some are close to 1 1/2 inches. Is there a groove cut into this pin (or a flat)?

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RTV comes in all sorts of colors now, so pick one that matches the paint on your head.

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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #5 - 10/02/13 at 05:25:05

I would suggest you buy the Suzukibond, Yamabond, Hondabond....it is the right stuff to to the job. It only takes a thin strip to seal.....just enough to coat the parts and barely ooze out the seam. It is the sealer between the flat sections that does the sealing....not the stuff that oozes out the seam. If you put on too much you can block the oil passages inside.

Whatever you choose.....don't do this:

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18101 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #6 - 10/02/13 at 06:18:10 Look at this parts diagram. There are round pins (#5 and #6) that align the head cover to the head, and one has a rubber O-ring with it. http://www.hondaofflorence.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=432111&catego... Or is the pin from the case halves?
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Reply #7 - 10/02/13 at 06:46:47

Thanks Dave, that pic kind of looks like what I did, so I got to take the valve cover back off and I'm going to get some bond for next time I'm I go to the power sports store.
As far as the part goes I can't find manual right now but I was looking at a diagram on bike bandit and so far I think it maybe the pin to the starter clutch but I'm not sure

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28668 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #8 - 10/02/13 at 08:05:24 Yes,.. it goes on very thin... these surfaces practically seal themselves, they will squeeze out nearly all excess RTV.... and some may squeeze into bad places... Thin as paint,.. not toothpaste...
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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #9 - 10/02/13 at 08:13:10

When using rtv this way, put a very thin layer of non-silicone grease on one mating surface. It won't affect the seal, and the next time you have to take it apart, all the cured rtv will stick to one surface and not to the other at all. This usually allows you to not have to use rtv again for reassembly,... in effect you have a permanent gasket.

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18101 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #10 - 10/02/13 at 08:13:14 Each large part that assembles will have 2 locating pins. Some of these pins are solid - some are hollow and have a bolt pass through them. It required 2 pins to properly locate and lock the parts together.
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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #11 - 10/02/13 at 08:15:33

Gyrobob wrote on 10/02/13 at 08:13:10:

When using rtv this way, put a very thin layer of non-silicone grease on one mating surface. It won't affect the seal, and the next time you have to take it apart, all the cured rtv will stick to one surface and not to the other at all. This usually allows you to not have to use rtv again for reassembly,... in effect you have a permanent gasket.

Wow.....I sure don't like this idea......it is certainly not the method that the factory uses when they assemble the case halves or head cover at the factory. I have no problem using this method on one side of a fiber gasket....but not with sealant.

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TheProduct2007 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 90	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #12 - 10/02/13 at 09:12:15 I'm really thinking of using some thin layer of black or gray rtv because I have some extra I haven't used. The pin is solid not hollow and has no grooves or cuts or flat surfaces on it besides the ends
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Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a
Reply #13 - 10/02/13 at 11:40:07

TheProduct2007 wrote on 10/02/13 at 06:46:47:

Thanks Dave, that pic kind of looks like what I did, so I got to take the valve cover back off and I'm going to get some bond for next time I'm I go to the power sports store.
As far as the part goes I can't find manual right now but I was looking at a diagram on bike bandit and so far I think it maybe the pin to the starter clutch but I'm not sure

Weird, I thought I posted this morning but checking back now I see it did not post?
Anyways, I think your right, it is the shaft for the starter gear.
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TheProduct2007 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 90	Re: Rtv sealant for valve cover gasket and found a Reply #14 - 10/02/13 at 12:14:15 Gerry that looks exactly like it, thanks man
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