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Ringing the Octa Core gong ..... Allwinner 64 bit?
09/30/13 at 05:54:59
 
http://liliputing.com/2013/09/allwinner-unveils-allwinner-a80-octa-processor....



Ringing the Octa core gong ..... Allwinner, with their mysterious A80 which may (or may not be) some NEW mixture of bigs and littles using heterogenous all at once ARM task allocation and the new undumpable rapid acting buffer system.

Allwinner is tight mouthed and generally fast on shipping the chips after an announcement -- they announce just about the time when they actually put out a real customer's product with the new chip in it, too.

Samsung had better be shipping their new Exynos 5420 Octa core, the one that really really works really really soon, or else Allwinner and Mediatek will both be painting on them with yellow "caution, slow traffic" paint.

Allwinner hasn't said what cores, how many of each cores OR what GPU will be used.  They are holding back some sort of "shocker" effect when the chip hits product and blasts out on to the scene in all its mysterious glory.

Early Allwinner chip generations were stock ARM/Mali processors, which weren't up to "Retina" screen resolutions when the A31 came out (Allwinner went with a VR GPU on that one chipset) but this time around Allwinner maybe/could be well served with a Mali 628 GPU as it can do the 4k resolution that is the current screen lovers post Retina display buzzword.  The Mali 628 (or 728 if you do the big boy) will also do calculation sharing and have all sorts of augmented 3D potentials & great I/O tricks if you stick with a stock ARM hard macro design package.

We miss the original A10 that Allwinner did -- it had every sort of I/O on it and the stock Mali graphics processor made for an open source product chipset that folks still remember fondly.   Rockchip tends to strip off I/O and other capabilities down to just whatever a tablet needs, which saves them a fractional penny a shot but not having intergated SATA or VGA available on the chipset costs them badly in the mini-board market later on.

These new chipsets need to have all the stock sorts of I/Os on them if they are going to go into little PC boxes, hobby boards, embedded uses, etc.   These higher power octa core chips will move into all sorts of car/kitchen/signage/embedded niches fairly quickly if they have the good I/Os to do it with.

We will see what this brand new A80 Octa core comes out as -- just in time for Halloween no less !!   Likely a right HIGH EFFICENCY MONSTER of a chipset, to be sure ....

Wink    Apple has gotten their short moment of 64 bit glory, now here come all the little chinese cheapie guys to lap them from behind with better/faster/more efficient chipsets.

It will likely be right tough to be Apple next year, coming up from BEHIND at least 2-3 chinese cheapie guys and Samsung on chip power.  

All these announcements are going to make Samsung come out even HOTTER & HARDER when they push out their "unspecified but announced" top end 64 bit octa core design.   They will have to go big or go home, or else Apple's "mediocre" slam job on them will begin to smell more & more real.  

They certainly have to out-do the cheapie guys or else it will be real fer real .....    Roll Eyes

Remember, 4&4 is passe out there in 64 bit ARM land ....  6 littles and 2 bigs might be Allwinner energy efficent mixture and 6 bigs and 2 littles might be the Samsung "Apple ass busting" perscription.  And also please remember, the A12 medium chipset is now available to put into this mix pattern, so you could do a big/medium little mix or any other mix combo you want for whatever product need you are aiming the chip at.

Allwinner and Rockchip will duke it out with each other yet again, with Rockchip swinging an A12 quad core 64 bit club while Allwinner will be swinging an Octa core club (cores not yet specified).  Remember, any club blows that hit Samsung or Apple are strictly incidental from these two not so little guys.  Broken bones and squishy Apple sauce resulting from this not so little guy nasty grudge match may wind up being of some considerable collateral damage to Apple by the end of next year.  

Apple is losing market share year on year as they fall further & further behind.  Innovative NEW products is what moves Apple forward, sitting still in place is what costs them.

Allwinner and Rockchip will always have their eyes on each other as they manoevre and fight over the 50 Billions of chips that is currently at stake in the Chinese market that they both serve.   And don't forget Mediatek, they haven't announced a 64 bit chipset yet either ....

Grin    I need to remember to quit calling them "the little chinese cheapie guys" because they are actually bigger than AMD and Freescale now-a-days.

BTW, Nvidia and Qualcomm both need to get out a bigger club for next year .... what you got on deck right now isn't gonna cut it.

Weeeeeeeeeee !!    Smack down in phone/tablet land again !!!    


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Apple, your firing Samsung has freed up critical production space at the 16/20nm level and the little cheapie guys are game to go in there to dilute your profit margins even more.   Apple will mebbe actually be driven into Intel's arms as it is the Jobless Apple who can't design a significant new ARM chipset fast enough to stay significantly ahead any more.

And Samsung is sitting there grinning at you, because YOU are the one who is going to get considered "mediocre design-wise" when everyone (including the chinese cheapie guys) can out-perform your brand spanking new dual core 64 bit chipset.   (a dual core ???)

And Intel may not be able to save you year after next, as having to go back to Intel for a quad core chipset may mean you go back to a larger die square, slightly LESS THAN energy efficent x86 chipset.  

And Intel will be happy to charge you more for it, too.

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Re: Ringing the Octa Core gong ..... Allwinner 64
Reply #1 - 10/01/13 at 19:45:51
 

Update on the A80 from Allwinner -- Oliolinux has found out it is going to be a 4 big 4 LITTLE A15/A7 format, in other words an ASS KICKER of a 32 bit chipset.  

Allwinner admits this next one is going to be a 32 bit "performance chipset" to balance the Allwinner line which already has low and midrange chipsets in it.  Allwinner intends to leapfrog Rockchip which is currently firmly embedded in a quad core A12 chipset that will only be 40% more powerful than their existing RK3188.   They will also leapfrog Mediatek who only has a 2 big 2 little and a 8 core little in the pipeline at this point in time.

Leapfrogging all the competition every second year is a common motif among these little guys.  

If Allwinner could pull off a 64 bit Octa Core chipset then that would become a real significant leapfrog event which might give them 3 years of advantage (but that becomes  less likely because the big boys have locked up all the production run time on the 16-20nm lithography lines --- unless Samsung has some because of Apple firing them for 64 bit stuff).

Allwinner still won't say what graphics set they plan to use, although lots of folks are lobbying Allwinner for the Mali graphics set that allows the GPUs to support the CPUs with mathematical calculations in a massive parallel fashion in between them 60 times a second screen refreshes.  

Remember, if you have 6-8 graphics cores working with the 8 CPU cores on work work items, the graphics cores aren't busy with graphics all the time any more than the 8 CPU cores are busy while playing a game. But, if you are splitting up a database recalc between 16 active calculation cores it goes a lot quicker than using just 8.  Rendering any large mathematical work flow up this way would be a very real advantage on several current benchmarks ....

Also, the Mali graphics sets are fully supported by Linaro and all of open source people, and some of the folks who were contacted by Allwinner have quietly reminded the Allwinner folks that if Allwinner goes with VR then that very powerful octacore chipset becomes a complete dead end for all small non-Android PCs, non-Android laptops, hobby boards, desktop/TV boxes. Linux distros, etc. etc. etc. etc.

And all of the open source developer and maintainer people will turn their backs on it as well.

Yup, the Linux world will drop any thoughts about a VR GPU equipped chipset like it has the Embola virus with bleeding pustules on its face  ...    

Allwinner KNOWS this is true because it has actually happened to their A30 chipset.   VR enforced their non-disclosure and the chipset languished completely after the first year, not used at all beyond the intital set of tablets.

VR is under "total ignore" condemnation by Linus and the boys for not releasing any of the code for the accelerator drivers for any of their graphics cores.   They are the very last hold out for not releasing anything to open source and they are beginning to lose business now because of it.

A VR A80 would be no good to anyone unless you want to run a VR custom created version of non-open Android on your original tablet device with no update from anyone else coming to it --- ever.  

A VR A80 means simply fergetaboutit for widely dispersed uses in many different forms, A VR A80 really becomes a dead end chipset within the first year.


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ARM/Mali has released 2 new very fast 6 & 8 core graphics core sets and Linaro software for up to 8 cores is out now that can easily do 60-80 frames per second of the very highest video outputs and great shading and 3D effects using all current video standards (including Direct x 11) so right now there really isn't a reason to NOT use Mali graphics ....

Mali also UPGRADES their video drivers in software, which means an old device can learn new tricks by software update, something that VR doesn't allow.

The total sales life span of a chipset is benefitted by using Mali, it is killed stone dead after the first year by using VR.

However, Apple is still flogging on with the super Retina display stuff -- although REAL PEOPLE can't seem to tell any difference any more because their eyes can't detect the finer pixle grain difference any more.  

These super super duper fine grain displays also show noticeably lower frames per second in head to head gaming tests and they eat up the battery life too ,,,,,
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