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Reply #15 - 09/18/13 at 05:27:31
 
Aww, Gee,, He has gone totally WACKO several times,, YET, No Jail, Keeps his clearance,, Its almost as if Someone WANTED him to do this..
BTW, have you heard what drugs he was on? GO Lookjing,.


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Reply #16 - 09/18/13 at 06:42:00
 
Made to hap[pen? Naah,, allowed? Look at his police history, shooting out tires, shot into a neighbors apartment,, No Jail;, Kept his clearance,,YOU believe thats how thingsare done?
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Reply #17 - 09/18/13 at 20:26:29
 
Morals are all but gone, television and video games make it look like taking a life is a part of life. People are beginning to have a hard time separating real life and media. I'm not John Wayne and I know it but sometimes I wish I was. Five years ago road rage was uncommon. Ten years ago if your neighbor was sick you mowed their yard and made sure they had something to eat. Fifteen years ago if someone died there was a long line at the funeral home. Its all changed and not for the better. People cant handle the bad changes and whats going on around them. You raise a dog to become loving and caring and that's what he is. You raise a dog to be vicious and that's what he is. The world is becoming more vicious.
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Reply #18 - 09/18/13 at 22:17:42
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252#FBM286850

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Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
By Debbie Siegelbaum BBC News, Washington
Investigators continue to work the scene at the Navy Yard two days after a gunman killed 12 people on 16 September 2013 On Wednesday, investigators continued to process the scene
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Navy Yard shootings

   Profile: Aaron Alexis
   Profiles of the victims
   Don't expect gun restrictions
   More details about Navy Yard shooter Watch

One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.

A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.

The Capitol Police department has launched a review into the matter.

Aaron Alexis, 34, killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard.

"I don't think it's a far stretch to say that some lives may have been saved if we were allowed to intervene," a Capitol Police source familiar with the incident told the BBC.
Assault weapons ready
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Aaron Alexis

   Defence subcontractor IT worker who had a valid pass for Navy Yard
   Full-time US Navy reservist from 2007-11, ranked petty officer 3rd class
   Said to have been Buddhist convert, had gun-related brushes with law in 2004 and 2010
   Reportedly suffered from sleeplessness, paranoia and hearing voices

   Profile: Aaron Alexis

A former Navy reservist, Alexis was working as a technical contractor for the Navy and had a valid pass and security clearance allowing him entry to the highly secure building in south-east Washington DC.

About 8:15 local time (12:15 GMT), Alexis entered Building 197, headquarters for Naval Sea Systems Command, which builds and maintains ships and submarines for the Navy, and opened fire.

Armed with a shotgun and a pistol he took from a guard he had shot, he sprayed bullets down a hallway and fired from a balcony down on to workers in an atrium.

He fired on police officers who eventually stormed the building, and was later killed in the shootout.

Multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time.

The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC.
'A different outcome'

According to a Capitol Police source, an officer with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD), Washington DC's main municipal force, told the Capitol Cert officers they were the only police on the site equipped with long guns and requested their help stopping the gunman.
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   Odds are it might have had a different outcome”

Jim Konczos Capitol Police Officer

When the Capitol Police team radioed their superiors, they were told by a watch commander to leave the scene, the BBC was told.

The gunman, Aaron Alexis, was reported killed after 09:00.

Several Capitol Police sources who spoke to the BBC asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal.

Capitol Police Officer Jim Konczos, who leads the officers' union, said the Cert police train for what are known as active shooter situations and are expert marksmen.

"Odds are it might have had a different outcome," he said of Monday's shooting and the decision to order the Cert unit to stand down. "It probably could have been neutralised."

Capitol Hill Police chief Kim Dine has ordered "a comprehensive, independent review of the facts surrounding the Capitol Police's response to the Navy Yard shootings".

The Capitol Police Board responded by establishing what it called a "Fact Review Team", led by Michael Stenger, a former assistant director of the US Secret Service.

Earlier, Capitol Police spokeswoman Lt Kimberly Schneider said its officers had "offered and provided mutual support and assistance at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday".
'A blind eye'

Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terry Gainer, who oversees the Capitol Police department, confirmed officials were pulling radio logs from Monday's incident and interviewing the officers involved.
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   Aaron is now in a place where he can never do harm to anyone, and for that I am glad”

Cathleen Alexis Shooter's mother

"It's a very serious allegation and inference to indicate that we were on scene and could have helped and were told to leave," he said. "It crushes me if that's the case."

Mr Gainer said that while the department's primary responsibility was to protect the Capitol complex, which houses the US Congress, that mission did not allow it to turn a "blind eye" when asked for help.

Gwendolyn Crump, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police Department, which protects the city of Washington DC, said allegations that a Capitol Police Cert team was on scene and later stood down were "not true".

Alexis had a history of mental health problems, previous gun-related brushes with the law, and citations for insubordination.

On Wednesday, Alexis' mother apologised to the victims and said she was bewildered by what had motivated her son as everyone else.

"I don't know why he did what he did, and I'll never be able to ask him why," Cathleen Alexis told MSNBC from her home in New York.

"Aaron is now in a place where he can never do harm to anyone, and for that I am glad."

"To the families of the victims, I am so, so very sorry that this has happened. My heart is broken."

Meanwhile, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel acknowledged "there were a lot of red flags" in Alexis' background that had been missed in the security clearance process which ultimately resulted in his having access to the secure building where he undertook the attack.

"Why they didn't get picked up, why they didn't get incorporated into the clearance process, what he was doing, those are all legitimate questions that we're going to be dealing with," he told reporters.
Right call?
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The victims

   Michael Arnold, 59
   Sylvia Frasier, 53
   Kathleen Gaarde, 62
   John Roger Johnson, 73
   Frank Kohler, 50
   Kenneth Proctor, 46
   Vishnu Pandit, 61
   Martin Bodrog, 54
   Arthur Daniels, 51
   Mary Francis Knight, 51
   Gerald Read, 58
   Richard Michael Ridgell, 52

   Profiles of the victims

He said he had ordered the Pentagon to conduct a wide-ranging review of the physical security at all US defence installations across the world and of the security clearance process.

"Where there are gaps, we will close them," he said. "Where there are inadequacies, we will address them. And where there are failures, we will correct them."

A Capitol Police officer who heard the Cert request over the radio to engage the gunman reported colleagues within the department felt frustrated they were told to stand down.

The officer described a culture in which emergency responders are instructed to not extend themselves beyond the Capitol grounds for fear of discipline.

"They were relying on our command staff to make the right call," another Capitol Police officer said. "Unfortunately, I don't think that happened in this case."



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Reply #19 - 09/19/13 at 06:20:56
 
Why do we have to rely on the Brits for local news?
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Reply #20 - 09/19/13 at 10:22:53
 
Because they're not Pubs or Dem's
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Reply #21 - 09/19/13 at 14:07:42
 
I may sound like a broken record, but this guy is akin the Adam Lanza, Jared Loughner, the Asian guy at Virginia Tech, and a couple of others.

All sound have been in mental institutions long before they committed mass murder.  BUT, about 20 years ago, our country started this crazy idea that mental patients need to have civil rights, just like sane people.

Until we recognize that mentally disturbed people can create a real danger, and once they are identified, lock them up for real treatment, and only let them out once they are really straightened out, if they ever can be, these people will wreak havoc over and over again.

Alexis even filed a police report in Rhode Island that some people were following him, and attacking him with a microwave machine.  He should have been locked up on the spot when he makes statements like that.

But our country has dismantled the whole of the mental institution systems in virtually every state, thinking that these people can be treated and medicated and allowed to roam free.  Enough is enough.
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Reply #22 - 09/19/13 at 17:23:51
 
YOU really didnt get that, Jerry? Seriously? You dont think the Navy KNEWhe was wacked out? They didnt take his clearance, SWAT WAS TOLD TO STAND DOWN<
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Reply #23 - 09/20/13 at 20:29:16
 
Jerry they had one more thing in common, violent video games.
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Reply #24 - 09/20/13 at 20:53:18
 
Paraquat wrote on 09/19/13 at 06:20:56:
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Reply #25 - 09/20/13 at 21:22:19
 
Web people don't take responsibility for whats going on around them. Plenty of people and his criminal record proved he was crazy but absolutely no one would take responsibility and do their job. The Police, the Military, his Mother, it could have been stopped Too much trouble, don't want to get involved. All this comes out after the fact and then conspiracy theories get started because once word gets out people knew beforehand they believe its supposed to happen. Edward Snowden found out whats happening and ran for his life.I haven't really kept up with this one so in order to say anything that might be misleading I'll be quiet for now.. My neighborshouse was robbed 2 weeks ago and I'm 99% sure who done it but the police have done absolutely nothing except talk to my wife because she's retired law enforcement. They could have got a warrant the next day and searched the thieves house. Enough people have told the police the theives house is a drug haven but even the police wont get involved. People throw their hands up and say whats the use? The smart ones buy a good gun, LEARN HOW TO USE IT and keep an eye out and look out for themselves.
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Reply #26 - 09/21/13 at 06:07:16
 
Midnightrider wrote on 09/18/13 at 20:26:29:
Morals are all but gone, television and video games make it look like taking a life is a part of life. People are beginning to have a hard time separating real life and media. I'm not John Wayne and I know it but sometimes I wish I was. Five years ago road rage was uncommon. Ten years ago if your neighbor was sick you mowed their yard and made sure they had something to eat. Fifteen years ago if someone died there was a long line at the funeral home. Its all changed and not for the better. People cant handle the bad changes and whats going on around them. You raise a dog to become loving and caring and that's what he is. You raise a dog to be vicious and that's what he is. The world is becoming more vicious.

+1, and I have been saying this since the '60s.
"There's too much violence and hate on TV.
Your children are learning to be what they see."
-from a song I wrote while in a band in '66.
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Reply #28 - 09/21/13 at 13:26:21
 
Look at the eyes of these 4 people.  Any question to you if they are mentally disturbed?  Yet, they each roamed free.  Why weren't they in a mental institution?  It's obvious to anyone who looks at them objectively that they are all mentally ill.
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Reply #29 - 09/21/13 at 13:42:35
 
Read what this guy says.

He's an MD. Practiced medicine for a good while before he became a political commentator.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-real-navy-yard...
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