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babyhog Serious Thumper Offline Find a Cure for Breast Cancer! NOW!! Posts: 3802 WV Gender:	Shooting in D.C. 09/16/13 at 15:57:29 Came inside and saw on tv there has been a shooting at the Navy yard in Washington. 12 dead.....
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17938 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #1 - 09/17/13 at 13:11:55 I am not aware of the details.....but it amazes me that the people at our military bases aren't armed and able to defend themselves. Where are the people with the guns who can shoot back at these crazy misguided folks?
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apache snow-FSO Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 509 Gender:	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #2 - 09/17/13 at 13:15:41 I believe that in 1993 Pres Clinton by executive order declared that all military bases would be gun free zones. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/17/When-Military-gun-free
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Reply #3 - 09/17/13 at 14:38:52

apache snow-FSO wrote on 09/17/13 at 13:15:41:

I believe that in 1993 Pres Clinton by executive order declared that all military bases would be gun free zones.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/17/When-Military-gun-free

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I'm on DMAFB every other week,... they are armed at all gates, 24/7... and many, many other places... Full auto rifles and pistols...
On alerts,... they have trucks with 50mm guns at each gate...

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old_rider Serious Thumper Offline Backyard Bill Productions Posts: 3147 flordia panhandle Gender:	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #4 - 09/17/13 at 15:16:41 Gun free on the base for everyone except those that are authorized to carry them by the base commander.
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Reply #5 - 09/17/13 at 17:05:01

Coming on and off post every day at Ft. Hood, YES there are certain individuals authorized to have a weapon on post. If I bring a weapon on post, it has to be registered with the provost marshall, I must declare it at the gate, and I must show paperwork and verify the serial numbers of the firearms. I am only allowed to transport them directly to the range I'm going to. You may not carry - concealed or otherwise.

At the gates, there are normally just soldiers with M9's, maybe one or two with M16's. If they have mags, they aren't inserted in the weapon. Depending on the NCO leading the gate guard, they could be issued to the individuals and in their cargo pocket, or they might be "accounted for" in the guard shack. Guard is just another extra duty for regular soldiers, and they generally get little if any training on anything beyond checking ID's and post decals.

The only people readily armed and trained on an Army installation are the MP's with loaded M9's.

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I'm on DMAFB every other week,... they are armed at all gates, 24/7... and many, many other places... Full auto rifles and pistols...
On alerts,... they have trucks with 50mm guns at each gate...

M16's haven't been auto for a long time. Does the Air Force carry M249 SAW's at the gate? 50mm guns... you mean .50 cal machine guns? M2?!

Feels like overkill to me... Huh

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Reply #6 - 09/17/13 at 17:14:30

A very sad story....but as old as recorded time. We can never assure our safety without major intrusions into our freedoms. We can lay blame, speculate, and yet, evil will still exist.
On a side note, this week in Seattle a couple just walking along the streets after a game were attacked. This assailant attacked her first, he intervened, he died from his stab wounds later in the hospital....no rhyme or reason, just evil on the loose. A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking has pursued, carrying a concealed weapon being just one, etc. A very sad story again, a wonderful life lost, and maybe more.
Can we ever escape the "threat" or possibility of evil, no, I offer. You can, however, be ready to move beyond fret and worry by assuring yourself this life is only temporary anyway, none of us get out of it alive.....

Where we go from there however is a choice......

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Reply #7 - 09/17/13 at 17:17:08

HondaLavis wrote on 09/17/13 at 17:05:01:

Coming on and off post every day at Ft. Hood, YES there are certain individuals authorized to have a weapon on post. If I bring a weapon on post, it has to be registered with the provost marshall, I must declare it at the gate, and I must show paperwork and verify the serial numbers of the firearms. I am only allowed to transport them directly to the range I'm going to. You may not carry - concealed or otherwise.

At the gates, there are normally just soldiers with M9's, maybe one or two with M16's. If they have mags, they aren't inserted in the weapon. Depending on the NCO leading the gate guard, they could be issued to the individuals and in their cargo pocket, or they might be "accounted for" in the guard shack. Guard is just another extra duty for regular soldiers, and they generally get little if any training on anything beyond checking ID's and post decals.

The only people readily armed and trained on an Army installation are the MP's with loaded M9's.

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I'm on DMAFB every other week,... they are armed at all gates, 24/7... and many, many other places... Full auto rifles and pistols...
On alerts,... they have trucks with 50mm guns at each gate...

M16's haven't been auto for a long time. Does the Air Force carry M249 SAW's at the gate? 50mm guns... you mean .50 cal machine guns? M2?!

Feels like overkill to me... Huh

http://www.defenseprocurementnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/More-M2-cont...

Well her weapons aren't concealed....thats fer sure Shocked

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Reply #8 - 09/17/13 at 17:24:25

Dave wrote on 09/17/13 at 13:11:55:

I am not aware of the details.....but it amazes me that the people at our military bases aren't armed and able to defend themselves. Where are the people with the guns who can shoot back at these crazy misguided folks?

A lot of the military installations around DC, including the Navy Yard, are really nothing more than office complexes, not military bases per se. Access is restricted; you need ID to get in, but once inside they are not much different from any other large office building. Their internal security isn't much different from what you would find in a large corportate headquarters. Most of the people inside are not going to be armed - not as a matter of policy, but just because most folks are not routinely armed in those kind of settings.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #9 - 09/17/13 at 17:33:16 Has our society regressed that much? When the disaster in Japan happened, it looked liked they helped one another and began rebuilding asap. I didn't read stories of looting and other rioting like Katrina.
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Reply #10 - 09/17/13 at 18:12:41

From someone who knows the situation first hand.

"I lived on an assortment of military bases from 1985 till 2005. I was not allowed to "legally" have in my possession any firearm or ammunition of any short.
The only personnel allowed were those on duty as Military Police and then only while on duty. Mostly at their post at gate guard.
I was allowed to own a firearm, but if I lived in the barracks it had to be locked in the arms room. Getting that opened was a task that had to be approved by the Commander. If you could catch him or her in the office. Usually they lived off post and were not inclined to leave their home for your convenience.
So getting one opened during the Navy shooting just was not going to happen for a few hours.
Every base has a small number of Security personnel. Usually armed with pistols only.
Anyone that wanted to reek havoc on a military base can easily do so. They will likely not survive it! But as we can see, one man took out a number of our people. If five men wanted to do this, if ten men wanted to do this."

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Reply #11 - 09/17/13 at 19:10:10

My navy base in the USA, only the gate guards and a small USMC security detachment were authorized for live ammo on base carry. Personal weapons were locked up in the battalion armory, accessible only by, at minimum a Gunner's Mate 1st Class (E6). The base commander preferred access only by Senior Chief (E8) Gunner's Mate or higher rank, and you were escorted off base before being handed your field stripped personal firearm and your personal ammunition. When you returned with it to the base, a GM1 or higher met you at the main gate, collected your ammo, bagged and labelled it, and dismantled your personal firearm.

At the base in Spain, only Marine Security Detachment members (on duty), whichever SEAL team was there at the moment, Masters at Arms, and Armada (Spanish Navy) Police were authorized to carry, unless you were on flight line or pier mount out security. And you did NOT want to draw either of those duties, because if you had an a.d.w. (accidentally discharged weapon) incident, you would rot in the brig until the base commanders (US AND Spanish) decided it was time for you to stand trial...

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Reply #12 - 09/17/13 at 19:28:23

The first report I heard yesterday was he was carrying a sawed off double barrel that he could hide in his jacket.. He took weapons from soldiers he gunned down, semi auto pistols and AR's. Being an employee there I'm sure he had it planned and timed out. His roommate said he would lock hiself up in his room and play shootem up bang bang video's all night. One thing these mass killers seem to have in common is spending hours playing evil video's. I think the video's make killing more complacent. There's no consequences for pulling the trigger and if you're good enough you receive all kinds of awards and recognition. Are they having trouble distinguishing the real world from a game.

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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #13 - 09/17/13 at 20:57:13 I hear that the man was hearing voices.....and all those who died were civilian employees of the DOD/Navy. It is truly sad but in a land awash in guns, anytime someone goes whacko, this can be the result. We all have to die someday, but this should not be the way.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Shooting in D.C. Reply #14 - 09/17/13 at 21:19:58 Aww, Gee,, He has gone totally WACKO several times,, YET, No Jail, Keeps his clearance,, Its almost as if Someone WANTED him to do this.. BTW, have you heard what drugs he was on? GO Lookjing,.
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