This is all a bi-product of big city government that's  liberal, unionized,  one party (Democrats) etc...maintaining long term control of state government and ruining a state's finances. Toss in crybaby environmental wackos with their demands on telling how everyone else should live while sticking someone else with the bill and why wouldn't rural areas want out? My next door state of Illinois is a perfect example. Chicago sucks up every penny and then demands statewide gun laws for example that have zero to do with the rural farmlands down south. Everything south of Springfield should be known as Southern Illinois. I think they're getting pretty tired of funding crooked Chicago politics.

Country folk in my area are trying to get out of Shelby County, courtesy of Memphis, the festering cesspool of the South. Felons (spousal abusing crack wh0re, and black gangsters) on the city and county councils, a mayor more interested in "polishing union knobs" than correcting the "black blight white flight" rampant in his city, county economic development funds "diverted" (that means stolen) by the city to support failing city transit and "social" programs (for welfare trash blacks, whites are not eligible)...

Every treasonous, traitorous, lying, thieving cheating s.o.b. on either council has a D behind his name...

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Read about the war in Bosnia - hard to believe it was 20 years ago - to get a picture of how another civil war might go down in this country.
No front lines; neighbors fighting neighbors based on their ethnicity;shifting alliances as the advantage shifts from one group to another; people who lived side by side in peace for years suddenly forced to become enemies to insure their own survival.

Instead of Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats think White, Black and Hispanic
militias fighing one another, all the while trying to deal with a government/military apparatus trying to clamp down on everyone at the same time. No good choices. Try to run - to where? Or pick a side and live or die by that decision.

This is what pitting one ethnic, religious, economic,political, or whatever, group against the others by a countries' political leaders ,for their own benefit, leads to.

There was a time when Americans, regardless of their background, were more or less united by a belief in the values on which this country was founded. I don't think that is the case any more. Divide and conquer has been the prevailing strategy of the ruling political class in the US for most of the recent past. We have not had a government " of the people,for the people" for a good while. Elections have become irrelevant. There is no important difference in the philosophy or the agenda of either major party. Their only concern is remaining in, or regaining power, so that they can partake of the benefits of being in that position.

I'm all for the states seceding. How else are we gonna change whats going on. If you get a bad governor or state representative impeach him right away. Each state could be run like a business. There's a few honest politicians out there like Jerry's son but they'll never make it to the Federal Level. Romney did an excellent job in Mass, pulling the Dems and Pubs working together. Great health care system. But when he ran for POTUS he did a 180 every day and scared the sh!t out of me. We cant seize the White House but we can withdraw. Right now I believe the States could do a better job. Let the Feds keep their 1 billion bullets. The States could concentrate more on the infrastructure, schools, roads, bridges, energy, good paying jobs, things the Federal Government has lied about. Pull out of the UN. Gangs should really be put to work as chain gangs and made to work on roads and bridges. WD claims that lot of states are sh!tholes but with the right leadership they could be turned around. Just have a law where we could impeach the gov. officials immediately. They're supposed to be scared of us, not the other way around. Do what you promise or you're out.Thats what a real democracy should work like. If I don't do my job correctly I'm fired, the same thing should go for politicians. I consider myself a patriot but things have gone to far gone to be straightened out by conventional means.

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The possibility of states seceding appeals to me too, but I think the chance of it happening is beyond remote. I think a viable first step would be term limits for ALL elected offices. Get ride of the permanent political class and things would almost have to improve.

The next thing to go should be public employee unions. Espcially the Federal ones. Those are the folks who really run things anyway, and they have pretty much no accountability to the citizens who pay their salaries.

I believe that's the way to get Washington's attention without firing a shot. I not interested in who supports who.Whats left of the Federal Government can disappear along with the UN, Council on Foreign Relations, ambassadors With the right honest politicians in office the state can concentrate on its weaknesses and develop its strengths. If the politicians cant do the job or be honest about it boot them out. Does anyone really thing Weiner or that governor from SC should have run again. Any politician that acts like those 2 should pull time for misleading their supporters. How else are you gonna stop it. Politicians should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen but we let them get away with anything including murdering innocent people in other countries. If the Federal Government wants to survive they can protect our borders with 1/3 of the weapons and soldiers we have now. If not the states could have their own militias and concentrate on self protection. Stay out of the middle east and quit selling OUR oil to Japan and other countries and no one will bother us. You ever heard of Bavaria? 80% of its power is wind and solar. If the Federal Government would stop giving billions to the oil and tax the oil companies that could happen here. States can work together a lot better than our do nothing congress and Our King who took an oath to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights outright lied. I don't do anything illegal unless you call these post on the forum unpatriotic., but I don't want to be spied on 24-7. Obama is scared of our guns and he's building a military that destroys crowds with microwaves. He used Trayvon and New Haven as a distraction to get everyone on the anti gun bandwagon. The 3 months the media broadcasted Trayvon probably there we several accidental shootings everyday, Also there were thousands of rounds fired everyday at target ranges. I dont like it but accidents are going to happen with guns just like riding a motorcycle but for the most part it is a sport like riding a motorcycle. Romney created a great health care system in Mass but he did a 180 when running for POTUS. I'm losing 2 doctors because of Obamacare, one I,ve been with over 15 years and she's saved my life more than once. When she told me last week she was retiring tears rolled down my cheeks. Everything in Congress and Washington gets worse, the only way we can stop it without firing a shot is to secede. Almost every state has resources to bring in revenue, even the desert can be set up for solar power and wind power. Trade electricity for oil, no biggie.Instead of California seceedig Kick ths state government and the governor out and start all over again.. Theres a lot of people living off the government in New York, Chicago, Detroit etc but let them vote on it. Most people don't want to be bums and with the chance of a new government they might give it a chance. Washington and our economic terrorist have totally ruined this country and if we don't do something soon We're doomed It wouldn't cost a million to run a state funded campaign. I think election donations should not be over $200 and we should have more debate air tme to familiarize who we are really voting for. Hategroups will be coming out of the woodworks if we continue on our present path.

Back in the 70's mansions , garages and swimming pools were being built in California that no one can afford now. The economy was booming.

Make sure China gets the governor of Texas to!!!!!