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How Ron Paul Changed My Mind
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How Ron Paul Changed My Heart and Mind On War


By Mike Marion

August 9, 2013

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My wife and I were in the middle of a three-month cross-country road trip in the Fall of 2011. We had just driven for over three hours to a small community center in northwestern Iowa where I found myself shaking hands with a man who had transformed my thinking. I was nervous, and the only words I could get out for my big moment of meeting Ron Paul were “thank you.” But maybe that was enough.

I grew up in a very conservative Christian home where timeless principles such as The Golden Rule were instilled in me at a young age. I didn’t get into fights, got along with pretty much everyone, and was known as a kind and honest person. That I would be drawn to Dr. Paul seems natural. Unfortunately, I spent the first few years of my adult life as an opinionated and vocal neoconservative (I had no idea what this meant), being mentored via talk radio by the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

One of the core principles taught to me by these supposed freedom lovers was the proud cheering of war and militarism. My lowest point was, as an undergraduate student, watching and rooting for “the good guys” in the war on Iraq as it unfolded live on FOX News like some televised gladiator game. Looking back on this, I am sickened and saddened by the fact that I sat in reverent shock and awe as bombs destroyed an actual city, blowing up buildings with real human beings inside. It was no more real to me than a video game.

Ron Paul blew my mind the first time I saw him on one of the talking head shows. Some of it made perfect sense, but some of it sounded downright heretical. How could this man say such sensible things about taxes and the economy, and then the next moment become a naïve lefty spouting nonsense like “peace brings prosperity” and “war is always destructive”? Didn’t this guy know that WWII ended the Great Depression? That Reagan beat the Soviets with an arms build-up? Jeez, didn’t he know that the U.S. waged war to beat slavery, and Nazism, and Communism? Peace through strength, man!

It was around this time that I slaughtered my first sacred cow: the War on Drugs. It became clear to me that this war was economically foolish. The argument that “prohibition on alcohol didn’t work, prohibition on drugs doesn’t work” made logical sense. I realized that I could not possibly justify locking anyone in a cage for a victimless crime, particularly as I enjoyed a couple cold beers at home while watching politics on TV. I started to identify as a libertarian, and I began to suspect that if I could be wrong on such an obvious issue as this war on the American people, maybe I would need to rethink everything.

Dr. Paul’s heroic stand in front of a hostile crowd in the Republican presidential debates in 2007 reverberated in my head. What was “blowback”? Had our government really been doing countless things in other countries behind the scenes that were making us less safe and creating enemies? Was it possible that there were people who hated the U.S., not because we supposedly have so much freedom, but instead because our government meddles in the affairs of their countries? It came off as incredibly gutsy how this man stood up to Rudy “America’s Mayor” Giuliani on live television in a bid for the Republican nomination for president and knowingly said things that most ears had never, ever heard.

I began to change. I finally applied my longstanding distrust of the government and disdain for its central planning not only to its domestic policies, but to its foreign policies as well. I wondered how it was that so many of us had been fooled into supporting a war on Iraq that was clearly fraudulent. I felt embarrassment and remorse for the cheering I had done as an undergraduate student watching that war on TV. I grieved for the thousands of soldiers who were sacrificed or mutilated or psychologically traumatized for a lie and for their families who desperately clung to that lie so they could deal with their anguish. I felt a deep sadness for the countless multitudes of innocent civilians who were slaughtered, their families violently ripped apart and their homes destroyed.

Then I began to read. I started to understand the anatomy of the State, and how war is so essential to its health and growth. I saw the Military Industrial Complex for what it is, and recognized that war is an extremely profitable racket. I questioned all of the ostensibly noble wars that came before (always initiated by wise leaders with benevolent intentions and humanitarian motives, of course). I examined the costs of war—in lost human life, in vanished liberty, in destroyed property, in squandered wealth—and I concluded that I hated it.

When my wife and I set out on that cross-country road trip where our schedule was to serendipitously align with two of Ron Paul’s town hall appearances, we considered bypassing Washington D.C. altogether, but we wanted to visit dear family in the surrounding area. Plus, I was morbidly curious to see how I’d feel returning with a completely different mindset than when I had come as a child with my seventh grade class. It was beyond what I could have imagined. Witnessing the shrines—the temples!—built for dishonest, power-mad rulers who had caused so much pain and destruction and suffering in our society and the world, gaudily strewn about this otherwise physically beautiful area was disturbing. The tragic list of over 58,000 names of people mostly younger than me who died in a senseless and unjust war on Vietnam was heartbreaking. The air was thick with propaganda and manipulation and the pursuit of power, and I could see clearly why Dr. Paul always spoke with such contempt for this place.

Ron Paul began a revolution in my mind that caused me to think critically about what I had been taught. He inspired me to read, to re-evaluate, and to bring my political philosophy into line with my personal values. I realized that non-intervention was the only moral way to interact with the world, that Thomas Jefferson’s prescription of “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none” was the only practical and reasonable approach, and that true liberty and prosperity would both require peace to ever be achieved.

Through his boldness, his integrity and his perseverance, Ron Paul changed my heart and mind on war. For this I am truly grateful.

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Reply #1 - 08/11/13 at 07:55:16
 
Others should try to free their minds from the shackles of the propaganda we have all been assaulted with..
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Reply #2 - 08/12/13 at 15:39:59
 
Of course Ron Paul did ... Then the republicans squashed him.
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The dems did their share of RP ruining,, no one is gonna allow a REAL man near the levers of power,
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Reply #4 - 08/12/13 at 17:01:26
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/12/13 at 16:12:33:
The dems did their share of RP ruining,, no one is gonna allow a REAL man near the levers of power,


Yes, the democraps got into the republican primary and ruined Ron paul in 88, 08 and in 2012.

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Youre such a load, you know the dems did everything they could to wreck him,,everybody did, because he is a real man & not corrupt. NO ONE in DC wanted him to be president,
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/12/13 at 17:52:47:
Youre such a load, you know the dems did everything they could to wreck him,,everybody did, because he is a real man & not corrupt. NO ONE in DC wanted him to be president,



Was he on the republican ticket ?

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Reply #7 - 08/13/13 at 20:31:49
 
Would that make him safe from Dem attacks? Is that how it works? Dems dont try to ruin Bubs? Its that BUBS ruined him right along with them that tells the tale.,
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Reply #8 - 08/21/13 at 20:09:50
 
I read this thread with a different perspective than I see others sharing here.

This discussion in this thread could be taking place amoung any number of groups of libertarians. The movement has been frustrated for decades by the fact that they just aren't making any real progress on the political scene. A few libertarian leaning republicans get elected, but no true members of the libertarian party. The tea party started out with a large dose of libertarian thinking - but quickly got swallowed up by the social conservatives and the celebrity politicos.

The real problem for libertarians is simple. The philosophy was great for a simpler time, a less complicated world. How do we go back to an isolationist world view when our corporations and citizens are spread across the world? Can a small goverment actually govern the richest nation in the world? Can it assure that  multinational corporations larger than some countries follow the law?

The libertarian philosophy is the cotton candy of politics. It looks pretty, it tastes great. But is devoid of any nutrition.  If Ron Paul - or his son Rand - ever actually succeed in getting the Republican nomination you can pretty much figure on four more years of Dems in the White House.  They have an intensely loyal base of supporters.  But it's small.

I like Ron Paul. A lot. When I hear him rail on the Federal Reserve about monetary policy it makes me wanna cheer.  He co-sponsored legistaltion with ubber liberal Barney Frank to take marijuana off the list of Federal controlled substances. But he serves a better purpose where he is at - a long term representative in the House in a safe republican seat. This gives him the platform to serve as a elder statesman and remind the other politicians that sometimes there is right and wrong.  Sometimes you ought to be bold enough to choose right over wrong.



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Reply #9 - 08/22/13 at 04:01:37
 
Please, explain how Libertarianism, which would trade with ANYONE, is in any way Isolationist. NOn Interventionism isnt isolationist, its simply notmeddling in the affairs of others.
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I meant isolationism in the foreign affairs arena. A better term for what I meant would non-interventionism.  Libertarians are supportive of free trade, but overall opposed to any sort of intervention i(or meddling as you) in the affairs of others.

The important distintion here is that true isolationism is both. It avoids any alliances - economic, trade, military.  Libertarians have some how decided that trade with the rest of the nations states is good - but protecting our interests by "intervening" when needed is bad.

Like any other philosophy, not all "libertarians" share the same beliefs. There are a variety of "branches" (six widely accepted) including anarchists that believe no nation states should exist at all as they are ultimately undesireable and interfere in the indviduals excercise of free will. Outside the USA, libertarianism is synonymous with anarchism.

It's an interesting political philosophy for sure - it draws heavily from classical liberal philosophy as expressed by notables like John Locke and Thomas Paine. These two, along with John Stuart Mill form the base of my own political beliefs (best described as neo-conservative) But when you look closely it's obvious to everyone except libertarians why it hasn't enjoyed a lot of success.  Classical liberal philosophy came about in response to a time when we had rulers (like Kings), not democratically elected representatives.

Collectively, WE the people decide on our level of restraint on free will. If our elected officials interfere too much, we get a chance to elect someone else. It's a BIG country, it needs a bigger goverment. Our interests oftentimes lie outside our own borders. It's a complicated world. In 1700, there were no nuclear or biological weapons.  There was maybe one or two multinational corporations.

It's just a big, complicated world - and we need our federal goverment to do more than maintain an army.
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Reply #11 - 08/22/13 at 08:03:04
 
Well,, I am an American & I have read the Big C & I am a Constitutionalist & Libertarian. IF the goobs would DO what the Big C says they are to do & NOT do anything they arent empowered ( w/o using a team oflawyers to twist the words) to do, America would be much better off, IMO.
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