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Bike will not start Grrrrr!
07/10/13 at 14:57:09

OK, Monday evening I was goofing around on the drive and there were a number of start ups, but everything seemed fine when I put it in the garage. Tuesday night I come and hit the start button, just a clank, no start. I figured I drained the battery down. I put it on the battery tender and about a half hour later it fired right up. So I grab the helmet and hop on, clank, no start. I left it on the tender all night and today. Still no start. Seller said battery was new. All lights work are working. What should I look at?

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EJID Serious Thumper Offline Work to ride and ride to work. Posts: 1536 Pocatello, ID Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #1 - 07/10/13 at 15:03:33 I would check the 3 main safety circuits... 1. Kill switch next to the throttle (embarrassing mistake, but all too frequent) 2. Kickstand up, or bike in Neutral (switch has been known to fail) 3. Clutch pulled in (switch has been known to fail)
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NormH3 YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15 Delaware Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #2 - 07/10/13 at 15:05:25 I'm no expert, but I would check the battery anyway.
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Reply #3 - 07/10/13 at 15:23:56

EJID wrote on 07/10/13 at 15:03:33:

I would check the 3 main safety circuits...

1. Kill switch next to the throttle (embarrassing mistake, but all too frequent) Embarrassed

2. Kickstand up, or bike in Neutral (switch has been known to fail)
3. Clutch pulled in (switch has been known to fail)

But if these were the case the starter would not engage at all, true?

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #4 - 07/10/13 at 15:28:36 you need to get a voltmeter on it, even new batteries fail.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #5 - 07/10/13 at 15:35:57 you did slap the battery a little,,test w/ volt meter, if low, check h2o level,( if unsure of it)& charge it if thats whsat it needs.. 12.5 is a hot battery,
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Reply #6 - 07/10/13 at 15:37:11

Battery, if you have the stock wet cell, check the fluid levels. Summers in Dixie are tough on old fashioned batteries.

Once it is topped off, fluid and charge, and passes a load test, check the safeties.

1. Kickstand switch is notorious for giving out with no warning signs. Unhook the clip from the switch, jumper bike side connector box with a paperclip, if the bike starts, switch failed. Replace or bypass.

2. Clutch switch. See above.

3. Kill switch. Been seeing spiders in the garage? Open up the switch box, remove the egg casing... Been there... more than once... very annoying. Deleted the switch boxes (for looks more than anything else)...

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Reply #7 - 07/10/13 at 16:32:05

WD wrote on 07/10/13 at 15:37:11:

Battery, if you have the stock wet cell, check the fluid levels. Summers in Dixie are tough on old fashioned batteries.

Once it is topped off, fluid and charge, and passes a load test, check the safeties.

1. Kickstand switch is notorious for giving out with no warning signs. Unhook the clip from the switch, jumper bike side connector box with a paperclip, if the bike starts, switch failed. Replace or bypass.

2. Clutch switch. See above.

3. Kill switch. Been seeing spiders in the garage? Open up the switch box, remove the egg casing... Been there... more than once... very annoying. Deleted the switch boxes (for looks more than anything else)...

Once again, if it was a switch failure, would the starter not engage? I hear a clunk when hit the switch.

It is supposedly a AMG gel battery (new ha ha). I'm inclined to believe it is the battery, yet how long would a battery tender take to recharge it? The light is green, but soon as I try to crank it goes to red.

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Toroso Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 120 Kingston, TN Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #8 - 07/10/13 at 16:43:42 OK, I checked the battery with a meter. Got just a little over 1 volt. But! Is this a battery issue or something else in the system? Before I spring for a new battery.
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Reply #9 - 07/10/13 at 16:49:19

a tender isnt a charger, its a maintainer, take it to a parts store, letr them charge/test battery,
a charger, a no kidding battery charger, is a tool ive had for 30 years. everyone needs a charger, id get one with a " start" , charge , trickle switch, something that will toss some juice or just go easy, but its hard on a $5.00 float charger to charge one. aint happenin quick if its low. all the electrons have to go thru that whisker thin wire,

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Toroso Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 120 Kingston, TN Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #10 - 07/10/13 at 17:35:49 Alrighty now! Pulled the battery out and check it. 12.83 volts. Battery good! Based on my experience of rolling off the drive Monday I am now suspecting the kickstand switch. I will check that tomorrow evening. May explain why it briefly started last night...
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Reply #11 - 07/10/13 at 18:07:18

WD wrote on 07/10/13 at 15:37:11:

1. Kickstand switch is notorious for giving out with no warning signs. Unhook the clip from the switch, jumper bike side connector box with a paperclip, if the bike starts, switch failed. Replace or bypass.

I think this may be the issue. It looks like a plug from pics I've looked at. How would I go about jumpering/bypassing it?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #12 - 07/10/13 at 18:38:51 you got an ohm meter? connect across wires coming from sidestand switch, operate switch by hand, should go from infinite to 0 ohm when pressed in, if not, the short between the wires going from the plug up to the bike, that way it will believe the stand is up, now, be very careful not to ride off, stand down, & get hurt
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Reply #13 - 07/10/13 at 19:31:59

I snipped the wires off and twisted them together when the bike was maybe 2 months old, so March or April of 1998. Lived in Long Beach MS at the time, between the salt and the humidity, it was toast. Covered the twist with a wire nut, no problems since then (from that circuit). I've also deleted/bypassed the clutch switch on my Savage and Lisa's 96 800 Intruder. Plus her clutch switch.

Failure prone disasters in the making. They normally fail in the backside of nowhere, in the rain, at night, with no cell coverage.

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Toroso Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 120 Kingston, TN Gender:	Re: Bike will not start Grrrrr! Reply #14 - 07/11/13 at 16:40:09 OK, out of the bike battery tested good 12.84 volts. Kickstand switch removed and bypassed. Clutch switch jumpered. Still no start, just the starter going clank. What next?
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