The Mods may want to move this to the tall table, but I'm not posting this to raise a racket, simply to say "hey, see what I found!"

And I DO believe it is interesting.

http://www.viewzone.com/abrahamx.html

In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)

There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect.

In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás Doreste states,
Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born.

The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)

Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant "place or town." Therefore, the Bible was correct in stating that Abraham came from "Ur of the Chaldeans." "Chaldean," more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state of Kashmir.

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

"He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek."(Vol. I, p. 364.)

"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with Brahma and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries."(Vol. I; p. 387.)

"One of the shrines in the Kaaba was also dedicated to the Hindu Creator God, Brahma, which is why the illiterate prophet of Islam claimed it was dedicated to Abraham. The word "Abraham" is none other than a malpronunciation of the word Brahma. This can be clearly proven if one investigates the root meanings of both words. Abraham is said to be one of the oldest Semitic prophets. His name is supposed to be derived from the two Semitic words 'Ab' meaning 'Father' and 'Raam/Raham' meaning 'of the exalted.' In the book of Genesis, Abraham simply means 'Multitude.' The word Abraham is derived from the Sanskrit word Brahma. The root of Brahma is 'Brah' which means - 'to grow or multiply in number.' In addition Lord Brahma, the Creator God of Hinduism is said to be the Father of all Men and Exalted of all the Gods, for it is from him that all beings were generated. Thus again we come to the meaning 'Exalted Father.' This is a clear pointer that Abraham is none other than the heavenly father Brahma."
(Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia; Part VI; p.2.)

Several word-meanings can be extracted from "Abram," each of which points directly to his exalted position.
Ab = "Father;" Hir or H'r = "Head; Top; Exalted;" Am = "People."
Therefore, Abhiram or Abh'ram can mean "Father of the Exalted." Here's still another: Ab - î - Ram = "Father of the Merciful."
Ab, also meaning "Snake," could indicate that Ab-Ram (Exalted Snake) was a Naga king. All the meanings that can be extracted from the compound word "Abraham" reveal the divine destiny of his followers. Hiram of Tyre, Solomon's close friend, was "Exalted People" or Ahi-Ram (Exalted Snake).

In ancient India, the Aryan cult was called "Brahm-Aryan." The Aryans worshiped multiple gods. Abraham turned away from polytheism. By so doing, he could have become "A-Brahm" (No longer a Brahman.) The Aryans called the Asuras "Ah-Brahm." Therefore, we can logically assume that the fathers of the Indus civilization were probably prototypical Jews.

Jerusalem was a Hittite (Indian hereditary leadership caste) city at the time of Abraham's death. In Genesis 23:4, Abraham asked the Jerusalem Hittites to sell him a burial plot. The Hittites answered, "...thou art a prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee." (p. 6). If Abraham was revered as a prince by the Hittites, he, too, was a highly regarded member of India's hereditary ruling and warrior caste. The Bible never did say that Abraham wasn't a Hittite. It just said, "I am a stranger and a sojourner with you." (Genesis 23:4.) As the Hittites said, they recognized Abraham as being even above them. Just as the Hittites were not a unique ethnicity, neither were the Amorites or Amarru.
Marruta was the Indian caste name of commoners. The word "Amorite" (Marut) was the first caste name of the Indian Vaishyas: craftsmen, farmers, cattlemen, traders, etc.

G. D. Pande writes in Ancient Geography of Ayodhya, "Maruts represented the Visah. The Maruts are described as forming troops or masses. Rudra, the father of the Maruts, is the lord of cattle." (p. 177.) Malita J. Shendge states: "...the Maruts are the people." (The Civilized Demons; p. 314.)
We should not be surprised to find the Khatti (Hittites) and Maruts (Amorites) functioning as the fathers (protectors) and mothers (helpmates or assistants) of Jerusalem.

In India, the Hittites were also known as Cedis or Chedis (pronounced Hatti or Khetti). Indian historians classify them as one of the oldest castes of the Yadavas.
"The Cedis formed one of the most ancient tribes among the Ksatriyas (the aristocratic class made up of Hittites and Kassites) in early Vedic times. As early as the period of the Rgveda the Cedi kings had acquired great reknown... they are one of the leading powers in northern India in the great epic." (Yadavas Through the Ages, p. 90.)
Ram or Rama also belonged to the Yadava clan. If our Abraham, Brahm, and Ram are the one and the same person, Abraham went to Jerusalem to be with his own people!

Ram's congregations segregated themselves in their own communities, called Ayodhya, which in Sanskrit means "The Unconquerable." The Sanskrit word for "fighter" is Yuddha or Yudh. Abraham and his group belonged to the Ayodhya (Yehudiya, Judea) congregation who remained aloof from non-believers and Amalekites (Aryans?).

Melchizadek... the sage of Salem

If what I have said thus far isn't convincing enough, maybe the word "Melchizedek" will be. Melchizedek was a king of Jerusalem who possessed secret mystical and magical powers. He was also Abraham's teacher.

Melik-Sadaksina was a great Indian prince, magician, and spiritual giant - the son of a Kassite king.
In Kashmiri and Sanskrit, Sadak = "a person with magical, supernatural powers."
A certain Zadok (Sadak?) was also a supernaturally-endowed priest who annointed Solomon.
Why does the Kassite (of royal caste) Melik-Sadaksina, a mythical Indian personage, suddenly appear in Jerusalem as the friend and mentor of Abraham? According to Akshoy Kumar Mazumdar in The Hindu History, Brahm was the spiritual leader of the Aryans.
As an Aryan (Not of Yah), he naturally believed in idols. The Bible says that he even manufactured them. Upon seeing how increasing idol worship and religious guesswork were contributing to the further downfall of his people, Brahm backed away from Aryanism and reembraced the ancient Indian (Yah) philosophy (Cult of the MaterialUniverse) even though it, too, was foundering in manmade evils.
He decided that mankind could save himself only by dealing with what was real; not the imagined.

Shocked at the barbarism and blind selfishness of the people, the wise men and educated people among the proto-Hebrews isolated themselves from the masses. Dr. Mazumdar wrote, "The moral fall was rapid. The seers and sages lived apart from the masses. They seldom married and were mostly given to religious contemplation. The masses, without proper light and leader, soon became vicious in the extreme. Rape, adultery, theft, etc., became quite common. Human nature ran wild.
Brahma (Abraham) decided to reform and regenerate the people. He made the chief sages and seers to marry and mix with the people. Most refused to marry, but 30 agreed." Brahm married his half sister Saraisvati. These sages became known as prajapatis (progenitors).

"Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak, i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahma, her teacher (and half brother), was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her." (The Hindu History; p. 48, in passim.)

From the holy community in Southern Afghanistan, similar communities spread all over the world: the whole of India, Nepal, Thailand, China, Egypt, Syria, Italy, the Philippines, Turkey, Persia, Greece, Laos, Iraq, - even the Americas!
The linguistic evidence of Brahm's presence in various parts of the world is more than evident: Persian: Braghman (Holy); Latin: Bragmani or Bramini (Holy); Russian: Rachmany (Holy); Ukranian: Rachmanya (Priest; Holy); Hebrew: Ram (Supreme Leader); Norwegian: From (Godly).

A sacred word among the Hindus was and is the mystic syllable OM. It is associated eternally with the earth, sky, and heaven, the Triple Universe. It is also a name of Brahma.
The Aztecs also worshiped and chanted the syllable OM as the dual principal of all creation: OMeticuhlti (Male Principle) and OMelcihuatl (Female Principle). The Mayan priestly caste was called Balam (pronounced B'lahm) [because they had no "R"]. Had an "R" sound existed in Mayan, it would have been Brahm.
The Peruvian Incas worshiped the sun as Inti Raymi (Hindu Ram).

Names that undeniably derive from Rama literally pepper Native-American languages, especially the languages of those tribes extending from our American Southwest, to Mexico, and all the way to South America, beyond Peru.
The Tarahumara Indians of Chihuahua are an ideal example. Their real name is Ra-Ram-Uri. As in Sumeria and Northern India, the Ra-Ram-Uri "Uri" = "People." Because the Spanish "R" is trilled, this "Uri" could also be Udi or Yuddhi, the Sanskrit name for "Warrior; Conqueror."
Many Mexican tribes mention that a foreign race of Yuri once invaded their part of the world. The Ra-Ram-Uri sun god is Ono-Rúame. In Kashmiri, Ana = "Favorite Son;" The Ra-Ram-Uri moon goddess, the consort of Ono-RË™ame, is Eve-Ruame. Kashmiri Hava = "Eve, or The Female Principle."

A Ra-Ram-Uri governor is called Si-Riame. In Sanskrit/Kashmiri, Su-Rama = "Great Rama." According to ancient Mexican legends, the Yoris belonged to a tribe called Surem (Su-Ram?)
Before the conquest, Central Mexico and the American Southwest, as far as Eastern Colorado, were known as SurÈ. SurÈ = "Sun" in Kashmiri.
The Tarahumara cure doctor or spiritual guide is an Owi-Ruame. In Sanskrit, Oph = "Hope."
Their devil is called Repa-Bet-Eame. Kashmiri: Riphas (Appearance) + Buth (Malignant Spirit) + Yama (Angel of Death).
Many other astonishing Kashmiri/Sanskrit correspondences appear in the Ra-Ram-Uri language.
Their relation to ancient Phoenicia, Sumeria, and Northern India is beyond question.

About the Phoenicians and the Jews!

By Gene D. Matlock, B.A., M.A.

The memory of the horror that fell upon the United States and the rest of the world on Sept. 11, 2001 will remain with us for many generations to come. The root of all this trouble stems from Man's forgetfulness and abysmal ignorance that two ancient brothers, who are ethnic twins, known by the family name of Kheeberi (Heber), have a spiritual, legal, moral, and historic right to share the land now known as Israel and/or Palestine.

Even though these twins had different religious beliefs and practices since remotest times, they managed to be dedicated one for all - and all for one - musketeers in love, peace, and war for at least 30,000 years, according to authorities on the myths of the ancient Hindus. These two brothers were called Phoenicians and Jews (Hebrews). Webster's New World Hebrew Dictionary defines "Heber" as Kheeber, meaning "Connected; Joined." Because they did colonize, rule, and inhabit every country on earth, also founding every civilization on earth, all human societies recognize their ancient hegemony both linguistically and mythically. We often call them Castor and Pollux or the Gemini Twins.

The 17th century orientalist Edward Pococke wrote in "India in Greece":
"Rome's great deified heroes were the chiefs of Castwar and Balik - Castor & Polluk's - the former the son of Leda, and brother of Pollox, that is, both of the Cashmirians and the people of Balk sprang from Leda - or Ladakh."

The Hindus call them The Asvin Brothers and The Nasatya Twins. The Southwestern Indian tribes call them The War Twins. For the Zunis, they were Maseway and Sheoyeway; The upland Yumas call them Matavila and Judaba. The Acomas remember them as Masewi and Ojuyewi. The Navajos call them collectively Ethkyn-Nah-Ishi, a name that cannot hide one of the names of the ancient Scythians (Skythians): Ashkenazi, the same Scythian group that gave the world Guatama Buddha. The ancient Mexicans called them Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca. They were also known by their collective name, which varied slightly according to the dialects and languages of each region: Quivira (the part of the USA from the Mexican border up to and including Kansas and Nebraska), Baboquivari mountain near Sells, AZ, Quiburi, the area around Benson, Arizona, The Great Kabar (Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and part of Western Turkey), Kheeber-bora (Hyperborea or all of Russia, including Eastern Siberia and Alaska); Khiberia (Iberia or Spain, Italy, half of Africa, etc.,) Khibernia (Hybernia or England, Scotland, and Ireland), Kheeber-al-Tar (Gibraltar), Kheepri (Cyprus), biblical Kabar-nahum (Capernam), the great Cobar, Coppara, and Koober-Pedy in Australia, Koobek (Quebec in Canada), Cuba in the Caribbean region, Coahuila in Northern Mexico and Southern Texas, and so many other places that naming them all would suffocate this article. They were also worshipped under their exact names in Inca Peru, Michoacán, Mexico, in Southwestern USA as the Puebloan deity Kokopelli, etc.

One of the largest tribes in South America, the Guaraní, Derive their collective name from Kuvarani: "Kubera's People." The sun, Kuarehy (Kuvarei,) is the home of the Guarani supreme god Tupa. Tupa may derive from Suva, a name of Shiva.

The Guate in Guate-mala is the only way the Mayans could pronounce Kubare. Mala was one of the seven islands of the Antara-Dwipa of God Vishnu. Antara means "distant; another country; in the middle; on the way." The reader will readily recognize that Antara is similar to the name of the Carribean island chain of Antilla (Ant-EE-yah), where Columbus first anchored his three ships, the Pinta, Nina, and Santa María. Dwipa/Dvipa means "An island; Peninsula; A division of the terrestrial world." The Caribbean tribes would have pronounced Antara as Antila or Antala. Kuvere-Mala (Guatemala) is also a part of the Mayan lands known as Nacaste, derived from the Sanskrit Naga-Shetra (Land of the Nagas).

This name Kheeberi, for all practical purposes, the "whole world," has crept into our English language as Cyber (Kheeber), used in compound words to denote "Everywhere:" Cybernetics; cyberspace, etc.

There is yet another important view in which the Khaiberi are to be considered. They are the ... Hebrews.


Pococke also states:
"Behold now the simple fact: The Cabeiri are the Khyberi, or people of the Khyber ... The Cabeiri are ... Cuvera, the Hindoo god of wealth and regent of the North, - that is, in simple language, the Kyber; it's region is wealthy and abounds with rubies; gold is found in the rivers in its vicinity, and it was likewise the ruling northern power in those days ... There is yet another important view in which the Khaiberi are to be considered. They are the Khebrew-i, or Hebrews.

... We have, then, in the Cabeiri, the representatives of a form of Bud-histic worship and Bud'histic chiefs, extending from the Logurh district (Locri) to Cashmir, the object of worship of the Hya (Yah), and the Phoenician race, for they are but one. They are the Khebrew-i, or Hebrews ... The tribe of Yudah (Judah) is in fact the very Yadu (Yadava) ... The people of God were literally taken out from amongst the other tribes, to be especially sanctified for the moral and religious generation of mankind.

Hence it is, that among the Greek writers of antiquity such a stress is always laid on the piety of the "Hyperboreans," that is the people of Khaiber, or the Hebrews ... I have no doubt whatever, that the northern limits of Afghanistan will be demonstrated to be the starting point of these two great families of language, and consequently of nations. The Afghans have claimed descent from the Jews, or Ioudaioi (Youdai-oi); the reverse is the case. The Haibrews or Khaibrews, are descended from the Yadoos. In that very land of the Yadoos, or Afghans - Dan and Gad, still remain of the feeble remnants of Jewish antiquity. (pp. 220-221, in passim.)

Mystics, astrologers, and New Agers like to make much of these "Gemini Twins." However, nothing "magical" or "Outer-Spacey" turned them into deities. Having learned the movements of ocean currents, prevailing winds, and the like, they were able to touch the shores of every country on the globe. Every single tribe and nation on earth, even the most savage tribes living in the most impenetrable jungles, came to know about the "Gemini Twins" - or should I say, Cyber-Twins?

Their Sanskrit names, Pani (Trader) and Yuddhi (Warrior; Conqueror), clearly explain the part that each Hebraic clan had to play in this historic relationship.

In those remotest of times, places like Afghanistan weren't so barren and hostile to human life as they are now. The area was exceedingly fertile. As time went by, the Khyberis or Kheebers came to own all the arable land, creating vast feudal estates.
Although their religion preached that mankind should be humanitarian, they became selfish and cruel to landless peasants and nomads. As their wealth in land and cattle grew, the nomads or Abels (not cattle), had less and less free space to graze their sheep and goats.
Finally, the Khybers and the Abels began to make war on each other. Little by little, the Abels were absorbed into the feudal system as slaves.
An enlightened king of the time, whom we now worship as Yahve or Jehovah, intervened in order to prevent a ghastly genocide. He ordered the settled Ganaana (Canaanites or Kheeberis) to quit monopolizing all the land and look for other ways to get rich, such as trading. Many of the Kheeberis, both traders and farmers, spread out, going down to what is now Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharasthra, and other parts of Western India. On the Western coast of Northern India, they built shipyards and started making trading expeditions abroad. Their Sanskrit names, Pani (Trader) and Yuddhi (Warrior; Conqueror), clearly explain the part that each Hebraic clan had to play in this historic relationship.



These Semitic looking figure heads are were found in Mexico and are usually attributed to the Olmec culture that pre-dated the Aztecs.
Note their beards, absent in natives of that land, and the floppy hat which is typical of Phoenician sailors.

Meanwhile, back in Khyberia (the Khyber Mountain region), the Kheeberis discovered how to smelt copper, The discovery of copper was probably the greatest historical happening in the history of the world.
There was no end to the demand, and the Cabeiris had a monopoly on the market, both national and international.

The boats of the Phoenicians, accompanied by their warrior-trader partners, the Yuddhis, cautiously ventured beyond India. Competition in the copper market encouraged more and more Phoenicians to take to the seas. The Phoenician traders began to squabble among themselves, to see who got the best trade routes, seaports, and the like. A king of that time, possibly King Pancika (Phoenician), portrayed in the statue of him and his wife Hariti, shown in this article, ordered them to quit concentrating mainly on India and establish permanent colonies on distant shores.

Very interesting though I only made it to the 4 post.. before I had to stop... being that I am at work.. at some point I must actually be productive.

Three things:
Many have already been led down the road.. of what "seems" to make sense.. ala Chariots of the Gods.. type books. So while it makes for a good read, unless one really is learned in such things already, it is easy to have information presented in such a way one can be mis-guided.

Now that DNA research is reaching such a fantastic level of ability, it would be very interesting to have a widespread sweep made to lay out specifically by such means the actual travel and spread of various people groups. The story of us is indeed inside each of us.

Lastly, it well known that the at the least Christians, Jew, and Islamists, are but three sects of the same root. Adding in Hindu, is certainly a new twist to me anyway). And as always how sad that such a powerful and large root, can be so full of hatred and war-mongering. It is a very sad thing that historically in each sect... hatred is the strongest between those that most closely related.

I've heard things like this from "story tellers" in India.
I cant explain, but they believe that whole continent between India and asia "fell into the ocean" and that's why our links are lost.

Cool.
Srinath.

i cant begin to express how much i would enjoy & appreciate the opportunity to spend a few days to pick your brain & enjoy your company.
IF you & your son do manage the trip over, i hope you can find the time to swing thru east texas. i cant help but believe i would benefit , in my knowledge & understanding of the world, from an evening of hanging out & hearing what you have to say.