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Reply #15 - 06/05/13 at 10:27:40
 
Ask me about the seat in a week and a half.......I will be riding with the boys at the Dragon for 3 days straight next week.

So you are going with the group to BRMCG?  I am going up with a group this weekend.  I would love to see the bike in person, but we are leaving on the 14 th for the beach.  It is only about 100 miles to the campground from here.  What days are you planning to be at Deals GAP?
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Reply #16 - 06/05/13 at 10:42:04
 
I found the answer to my own question.  The CS1 has a trail of 4.80 inches according to Motorcyclist online.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1101_ryca_cs1_cafe_racer/vie...

I also had a brainstrom and figured out how to measure mine!  So I ran to the shop at lunch.  Laser levels and a yard stick!









So I am at about 5 inches of trail right now.
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Reply #17 - 06/05/13 at 12:47:05
 
I changed my fork yokes to 1980 Suzuki RM400 yokes.  It was involved, and it reduced the offset from 2.5 inches to 1.25.  I believe the rest of my geometry is very close to the RYCA.....so I am guessing my trail will be around 3.55 inches.  Not sure if the handling is changed much......but I like the looks better!  So far I have not found any handling problems and it feels stable - but not planted on a straight path.  It seems to turn pretty nicely.  I had a friend that road races Ducati and Norton motorcycles ride it, and he though it handled well at hghway speeds....I am sure the track would be much different and there would be room for iimprovement.  The bike seems to have a very short wheelbase compared to his Ducati's.  
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Reply #18 - 06/05/13 at 19:16:39
 
I'm a Ducati guy as well. Actually, all my bikes have been sport bikes until the savage, which I'm trying to turn into a sport bike!

What I've decided is.........it ain't gonna happen.

The stem angle is just too steep. Without major modification to the frame, the closest we can get would be like a sport standard.  Think Honda CB's from the 60's and 70's. Luckily, with our short wheelbase, we can aford a bit more trail than would usually be required.

Oldsport, while I don't think you will ever be able to get down to two inches of trail, I will still advise against trying it. It's rare, even with track tuned sport bikes, to see trail much under three. Where you're at currently will probably handle pretty well. If you ever feel the need for a quicker steering response, you can always go a LITTLE bigger on the rear tire, or drop the front a titch. I think it looks great how you've got it. Nice job!
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Reply #19 - 06/06/13 at 07:08:06
 
Face wrote on 06/05/13 at 19:16:39:
I'm a Ducati guy as well. Actually, all my bikes have been sport bikes until the savage, which I'm trying to turn into a sport bike!

What I've decided is.........it ain't gonna happen.

The stem angle is just too steep. Without major modification to the frame, the closest we can get would be like a sport standard.  Think Honda CB's from the 60's and 70's. Luckily, with our short wheelbase, we can aford a bit more trail than would usually be required.

Oldsport, while I don't think you will ever be able to get down to two inches of trail, I will still advise against trying it. It's rare, even with track tuned sport bikes, to see trail much under three. Where you're at currently will probably handle pretty well. If you ever feel the need for a quicker steering response, you can always go a LITTLE bigger on the rear tire, or drop the front a titch. I think it looks great how you've got it. Nice job!


Thanks, I have kind of accepted the fact that it is going to be kind of a Sport Cruiser.  Which isn't really all that bad.  The geometry is very similar to the Ducati Diavel where I am now.  I am a BMW guy, a sport touring type of rider.  The trail on my RT is 4.80 inches and it is a perfect blend for the Super Slab and the twisties.  The RT is a great bike but it sort of insulates you from the feel of a more pure basic motorcycle.  That is what attracted me to this project, the raw wind in your face hunched over feel of a simpler more basic bike.  Something I can ride everyday back and forth to work and have a connection to because I made it what it is.  I don't want the same bike everybody else has and I guess that is why I choose not to go with the kit.  That and I am kind of a cheap SOB too.  (I know that and BMW have no correlation whatsoever.)  That choice has made this project become much more cathartic than I expected.  Every change I make every decision shows a little bit of who I am, doing things because I like it and not because everybody else did it that way.   I really like the look of the fatter 140/90 15 rear tire and it is probably a little truer to the soul of what this bike is going to be.  Finding a balance between what it was and what I want it to be.   I know I’m over thinking this.
I may have to post that in the blog.
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Reply #20 - 06/25/13 at 06:02:55
 
Test ride video.  I now have a fully functional motorcycle!


<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/F3fC5SkK0Fc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Reply #21 - 06/25/13 at 09:39:45
 
Congratulations on the first ride......it is a big step and makes it possible to see that it is close to being a functional bike.  It does look like the seat was changed for the ride and video.  Did you have to do anything to the swingarm to make that large rear tire clear?
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Reply #22 - 06/26/13 at 05:36:48
 
The seat is just a temporary set-up until I can get the cowling made for the rear of the bike.  I have used floral foam to make a form and I am going to hand lay the fiberglass on it to make the seat cowl.  I went to a rally last Saturday called "British in the Blue Ridge".  It was basically Triumph, BSA, and Norton bikes.  There were vendors there that had parts and aftermarket fiberglass items.  It was really helpfull to see how the cowls were made and how some of the seats were attached. One of the dealers, Hotwing Glass  www.hotwingglass.com , has several choices and I could get the cowl and an upholstered seat pad for around $175, thats pretty competitive.  I am probably going to just make my own because I have spent a pretty large amount of time preparing to do it already.  

The rear tire is what was on the bike when I got it.  140/90 15 on the original wheel.  No I have not had to mod the swing arm.  

I bought a set of cast wheels from an 83 GS450T to use on the bike.  I may still use them at some point in time.  The specs on that bike said the bike had 18 inch wheels front and rear.  When I got them they were  19 in. front and 17 in. rear.  I will have to have the front rotor machined to work on this bike.  The rear hub brake fits perfectly but the drive side is different and I would need to change to a chain drive setup to make it work.  The wheel has a carrier and a 43 tooth sprocket.  I know that a 17/43 gear set would really throw the speedo off but the front wheel has a slot for a mechaical speedo.  Every change has consequences so for now I am going with the stock wheels.  I really like the look of the fat rear tire and the outside diameter is almost as large as the Kenda tire RYCA sells.  That big cushy tire is pretty comfortable to ride on.  I am pretty cost concious and as an earlier post stated the tank and wheel mods are pretty pricey so for this project, I am going stock.  I also don't want to give up any fuel volume either.  The best description for where I am headed with this project is "Sport Cruiser".  

I have toyed with the idea of making the rear bubble seperate from the seat mount and having some type of a rack configuration inside it.  Then I could pop it off and throw some soft bags over it with a tail bag and have a light weight sport tourer or bolt a small top case for helmet storage.  One thing I am deffinatly going to do is use the factory helmet lock somewhere on the bike.  I have also thought about using the fiberclass process to make a fear fender that bolts to the top of swing arm and fits close to the rear wheel.  When I change the tires I can use the old tire as a mold.  

Dave, How was the seat on your bike on your trip?
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Reply #23 - 06/26/13 at 06:24:05
 
I got your bike project and Thomasconners confused.....he had the large rear tire and had a seat on his bike.  When I watched your video I was thinking about his bike.

The seat was........thin.

The longest ride we took was on Saturday and we got on the road about 10 AM.....and returned about 6:00 PM.  We covered about 220 miles in total.  We stopped frequently to rest, get fuel, look at the map, enjoy the sights, eat, etc.  My butt was tired at the end of the day - but not sore.  Kind of like what happens when you go someplace where you have to sit on those wooden or steel folding chairs for too long.  The seat fits me well and there are not any places where it is uncomfortable.....so I am not sure that thicker padding would help much.  I am tempted however to add a bit of padding when I take the bike apart to paint it next winter.

The one thing the trip did for me was make the bike feel like it was "my" bike.  Last night I went for a ride and when I climbed on it felt familiar.....and I am getting used to the way it feels.  It no longer feels strange to me.....it now feels normal and familiar.  
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Reply #24 - 06/26/13 at 07:22:22
 
Glad it feels like home.  You did a great job!  
My plan is to get this bike finished, kind of the same way you did.  Probably a flat black paint job.  Ride it a little back and forth to work and get the kinks out.  Then pull it all apart this winter and finish it with paint and powder coat.
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Reply #25 - 07/01/13 at 13:28:16
 
Photo Update.  Working on the seat cowl but just had to ride it a little.


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Reply #26 - 07/06/13 at 21:26:17
 
This is where I am going to stop for awhile and just ride the bike.  Lots more to do but it can wait until winter.


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Reply #27 - 07/06/13 at 21:39:41
 
Those tall rear shocks should have noticeably improved weight transfer and steering. I run stock 800 Intruder shocks on a high bar Savage, and they helped it, a lot.

My CL72 (Honda) has a full CL77 (305) suspension swap. All Ceriani track parts. Feels completely different than sitting on a stock set up, much stiffer and a bit higher in the rear. Need to finish pulling the engine down and find out why it locked up on me. Should be a wheel standing king, the driven sprocket has around 50 teeth on it if I recall right... old period correct late 60s or early 70s TT racer spec... including the low 1 into 1 (per side since it is a vertical twin, 180 firing order, the good sloper engine) exhaust set up (Rocky or Nempco headers and mufflers)...

Your bike is starting to look like it came from the same era. Keep it up.
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Reply #28 - 07/11/13 at 07:18:41
 
More photos!







The blog about the project.

http://thelycanproject.blogspot.com/

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Reply #29 - 07/12/13 at 01:50:02
 
lookin' Awesome man! Cool

White one on the previous page is a drooler too!!!!
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