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Reply #30 - 05/12/13 at 20:45:30
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 05/09/13 at 14:21:37:
As a life-long Republican, but hopefully, not Tea Party guy, if our party is to survive, we've got to distance ourselves from idiots like Bachman and Palin.
We need the Republican party of old - Senators like John Bricker from Ohio, Eisenhower, Jerry Ford, Dulles, Reagan, Goldwater, Dirkson  - solid conservatives who were statesmen, who knew how Washington politics should work, and who were able to reach across the aisle to good Dems like Johnson, Kennedy, Stevenson and get things resolved.
None of these kinds of statesmen, from either party, would have been in office had there been term limits in their day.

If the Republicans will run Rand Paul and Dr Carter., someone who has the guts to stand up against the system and the brains to go with it they can come back. Mitt Romney was nothing but a yes man to the rich. Obama is not changing anything except maybe now you'll have to get a permit to buy a pressure cooker. The Republicans wanna buy the Hispanic vote which is a huge mistake. We need a Republican version of Jack Kennedy, a canditate who is not afraid to piss someone off who is rich and wrong.
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Reply #31 - 05/12/13 at 21:34:53
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/12/13 at 18:28:11:
I agree that both sides make mistakes; however, I do believe Republicans have the moral high ground. Any part that is in favor of slaughtering babies will forever take a back seat. Regardless of how far Republicans stray from time to time, they can't go so far over the edge that they give up their soul like the Dems have done in backing abortion rights.



Not even close ... republicans sold their souls a loooooong time ago by cutting taxes for the rich cos they were "job creators". They want to saddle the poor with babies too so they get poorer and poorer, then they will put em on welfare.
Not to mention they support gun proliferation that kill 100X as as many as they save and wont back gay rights - dude we have 8 billion people, we dont need any more. If some gay people dont have babies we are better off.

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Re: Michelle Bachman is on the Intelligence Commit
Reply #32 - 05/12/13 at 21:44:11
 
srinath wrote on 05/12/13 at 21:34:53:
WebsterMark wrote on 05/12/13 at 18:28:11:
I agree that both sides make mistakes; however, I do believe Republicans have the moral high ground. Any part that is in favor of slaughtering babies will forever take a back seat. Regardless of how far Republicans stray from time to time, they can't go so far over the edge that they give up their soul like the Dems have done in backing abortion rights.






Not even close ... republicans sold their souls a loooooong time ago by cutting taxes for the rich cos they were "job creators". They want to saddle the poor with babies too so they get poorer and poorer, then they will put em on welfare.
Not to mention they support gun proliferation that kill 100X as as many as they save and wont back gay rights - dude we have 8 billion people, we dont need any more. If some gay people dont have babies we are better off.

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& yet, FBI stats show gun violence has dropped in spite of the number of guns increasing dramatically.
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Reply #33 - 05/12/13 at 22:30:45
 
Really?

In the last 5 months there have been at least 71 kids killed by guns. Average age just under 6 years old.

Rates of firearm assault injuries have increased over the 2000s

Year Number of injuries Population Rate Age-Adjusted Rate**

2001   41,044 284,968,955 14.40 14.11

2002   37,321 287,625,193 12.98 12.75

2003   42,505 290,107,933 14.65 14.40

2004   43,592 292,805,298 14.89 14.72

2005   50,320 295,516,599 17.03 16.92

2006   52,748 298,379,912 17.68 17.45

2007   48,676* 301,231,207 16.16 16.09

2008   56,626 304,093,966 18.62 18.57

2009   44,466 306,771,529 14.49 14.50

2010   53,738 308,745,538 17.41 17.55

2011   55,544 311,591,917 17.83 17.85


NRA apologists do not understand data which contradicts their approved talking points, which in turn are derived from using only those parts of data which support their half-truths and outright lies.


medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program.


http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html






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Reply #34 - 05/12/13 at 23:57:20
 
Single parent families, bloody video games, ruthless gangs and drug dealers, illegal aliens, Obama giving guns to the Mexicans innocent Americans were killed with, irresponsible parents, crazy a$$ cops, innocent kids being gunned down in a no assault weapon state, all that proves to me is I need my guns even more. This country has become morally bankrupt and its my job to protect my family and possesions. I cant do that disarmed while the criminals and crazies will always have guns and bombs.
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Reply #35 - 05/13/13 at 05:03:24
 
No one has been talking about taking away any ones guns.
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Reply #36 - 05/13/13 at 06:24:12
 
In the last 5 months there have been at least 71 kids killed by guns. Average age just under 6 years old.

is this data in the link you included?
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Reply #37 - 05/13/13 at 14:01:32
 
Stats. compiled by CDC

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In the last five months there have been at least 71 of them. None older than 12, several as young as five or six months, all of their lives ended by a bullet.

There was four-year-old Trinity Ross in Kansas City, who lasted about a week on life support after a playmate came across her father's gun in the TV room. There was 10-year-old Alexandra Brown in Ohio, apparently murdered in the backseat of a car by her father just before he took his own life. There was three-year-old Jadarrius Speights, who got his little fingers on his uncle's loaded 9 mm in an apartment in Tampa, just Tuesday night. His death came one week after a five-year-old boy inside a rural Kentucky home pointed a small rifle at his two-year-old sister, Caroline Sparks, and pulled the trigger.

Sparks' death drew extensive media coverage and stirred particularly strong emotions, in part because the weapon used was specifically made for and marketed to kids. As I reported last week, its manufacturer, Crickett Firearms, has seen its business boom in recent years. The intense response to the tragedy clearly was also a legacy of the Newtown massacre, whose 20 young victims shook the nation and set off an extraordinary debate about gun violence.

But what happened to Sparks was not extraordinary. Her killing, and those in dozens of other American communities this year, is essentially business as usual—it happens on average about once every two days. An average of 197 children ages 12 and younger died from gun shots each year from 1999 through 2010, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Dozens are killed annually in accidents—often with other young kids firing the gun—although the majority die in homicides.

Among the 71 shooting deaths we analyzed from the past five months:

40 killings were unintentional and 31 were alleged homicides.
The most common scenario was kid-on-kid: At least 29 of the accidental deaths occurred when a kid under 17 pulled the trigger.
The average age of the victims was just under six years old.
20 victims were girls and 51 were boys.
The problem was worst in the South: Florida had the most kids killed (four accidents, five alleged homicides), followed by Ohio and Tennessee (four accidents and two alleged homicides in each state), followed by Alabama (two accidents, two alleged homicides) and South Carolina (four accidents).
Details on all 71 deaths are in the spreadsheet below, including the name, age, and gender of the victims, the locations of the incidents, and links to news reports describing how the shootings occurred. The majority of the data was gathered using Slate's crowd-sourced aggregation of gun deaths, with additional details and research added by Mother Jones. The data set includes the majority of such gun deaths in the past five months, but almost certainly not all of them.

From Boy Scouts to 4-H and beyond, there is a long American tradition of teaching kids how to use and responsibly handle firearms. (It's a tradition I know firsthand, having grown up shooting bolt-action rifles and shotguns for sport.) But federal law prohibits the sale of a gun to anyone under 18, and in accidental-death cases the issue of adult responsibility is paramount. A torrent of harsh online comments was directed at the parents of Caroline Sparks in the days after that story broke. Beyond the responsibility of adult guardians, legal culpability varies by state and can be difficult to prove, as shown in the Trinity Ross case, in which the prosecutor found insufficient evidence for pressing charges.

A gun company that makes hot pink rifles for girls came under fire for featuring photos of tykes and infants with weapons.
Since Sparks' death, debate has intensified around whether a company like Crickett Firearms—whose website featured photos of tykes and infants with guns until the company took them down last week—is ethically off-target. The company, which says it is the leading rifle supplier in the youth market, produces firearms with different barrel and stock designs, including some made in hot pink to appeal to young girls. That may help boost sales, but there are other potential consequences: In February, two young siblings in South Carolina apparently mistook a pink handgun for a toy when three-year-old Temorej Smith was fatally shot in the head.

Many accidental shootings happen in or around a family home, often involving kids playing with guns. Others involve parents accidentally shooting their kids. These incidents don't exactly shore up the gun lobby's claim that Americans need to secure their homes with handguns or even AR-15 assault rifles. Public health researchers have found that having a gun in the home puts gun owners and their families at higher risk of being shot intentionally or accidentally. Forty-three percent of homes with guns and kids contain at least one unlocked firearm. And one study found that a third of 8- to 12-year-old boys who came across an unlocked handgun picked it up and pulled the trigger.

Child deaths from gun shots are statistically rare on a per capita basis and in absolute numbers. But it's important to note that the CDC data cited above only gives a sense of the overall problem. As Daniel Webster of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research explained to NBC News, inconsistency in how states report shootings leads to less reliable national statistics. That in turn underscores how relatively little good data we have on gun violence, thanks in no small part to the National Rifle Association's efforts to deep-six serious research.

And the number of kids who get shot each year is significantly larger when you include those who survive: According to a report by NPR, emergency rooms treat more than 3,000 children for accidental shootings annually. That number now includes a seven-year-old boy in Houston, who was recently shot by his five-year-old brother.

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Reply #38 - 05/13/13 at 14:07:52
 
In NC now if you purchase a new firearm you have to sign a paper saying you will keep said gun locked away from children. Of course that doesnt mean anyone will abide by it.
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Reply #39 - 05/13/13 at 15:25:57
 
hmmm..... according to stats from the same site; 2 children per day drown; most of those in home swimming pools. That vastly out number the number of firearm deaths so I assume somewhere on another site; you are on your high horse to outlaw home swimming pools or pass a law demanding the federal government provide lifeguards to be paid for by a tax on T-bone steaks I guess...

I actually know personally 3 children who have drown but I know no child killed by a gun. The drowning stories are just as tragic as the stories you tell below.

here's a idea: how about you shut the hell up and let people live their own life without you telling them what to do.
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Reply #40 - 05/13/13 at 15:40:05
 
Webby - Oy vey this garbage again ...

The children drowning in swimming pool are usually the kids of said owner of pool. Dead child = punishment.

The killed children are usually not children of owner of said gun. Unless the child mistakenly kills sibling or him/herself. So there is no in built guilt. Unless the kid kills him/herself or sibling.

Have you no common sense.

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Reply #41 - 05/13/13 at 15:59:05
 
...snort...I personally know of a child who choked on a piece of hotdog...should we ban hotdogs?...oh wait, hotdogs are not manufactured to kill people.
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Reply #42 - 05/13/13 at 18:07:56
 
That's what you're going with? Built in guilt? That's your determining factor on if a items should or should not be sold without federal oversight?  No wonder you and Star are buddies.....

The point is morons, most items can be misused with tragic consequences. Like your brains for example.

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Reply #43 - 05/13/13 at 18:22:10
 
[quote author=5A686F7E79687F406C7F660D0 link=1367853368/30#42 date=1368493676 Cool
The point is morons, most items can be misused with tragic consequences. Like your brains for example.

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Yes ... "misused" ... with guns the intended use is tragic. He he ... no wonder the NRA de funded all studies about what guns are doing once they are in the hands of people ...
Even cheney couldn't help shooting his fellow hunter ... though with cheney you never know.
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Reply #44 - 05/13/13 at 19:56:07
 
Oh, give Cheney a break, after all he was blind drunk that day, and besids the guy who was shot in the face apologized for being in Cheney's way. Roll Eyes
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