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Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail (Read 1391 times)
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
Reply #30 -
01/17/14 at 06:16:31
I want todo a hardtail on mine.I'm working on an XS650 with a Voodoo Vintage hardtail.Quality is excellent on it.Will do a Savage...soon.
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
Reply #31 -
01/17/14 at 06:34:16
Finney138 wrote
on 01/17/14 at 05:51:38:
mpescatori wrote
on 01/16/14 at 22:51:54:
Finney138 wrote
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Nice. Gas tank off an old 2 smoke AMF import?
yea its an old harley rapido tank. aermacchi from italy i think
Exactly. On the vintage bike stock market, that tank itself is worth more than the rest of the (modern, hacked) bike.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PRIcxtCZGk4/TQFXjfgS84I/AAAAAAAABbw/DQBNm6Ko7Yo/s16...
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/harley-davidson-classic-mo...
Sorry, it's just the hard truth.
Like putting a Civil War sofa in a 1990'2 living room, if you understand...
haha the truth isnt very hard. it cost me a few bucks. definately not worth more than the bike itself tho.
and if i had a civil war sofa id still sit on it drink beer eat chips
and fart in the cushion
.
I wouldn't be surprised
.
Back in Gulf War 2, a platoon of USMC found a "looks like a Hummer, let's blow it up!" and blew up a Lamborghini Cheetah for the bang of it.
One of 300 ever built.
http://www.carscoops.com/2007/10/war-crimes-soldiers-destroy-rare.html
http://jalopnik.com/245336/blowing-up-udays-rambo-lambo
And the world should hand their safety over to
these guys
? No thanks...
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/17/14 at 08:19:41
Getting kinda off topic here haha.
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/19/14 at 09:57:57
Yes, I plead guilty of barking up somebodyelse's tree.
I must admit I felt kinda egged into it...
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
Reply #34 -
01/19/14 at 19:56:23
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on 12/28/13 at 04:20:18:
Im working on one.
Anybody else....
I got an 02 and ive cut my frame,tacked up the hardtail(straight as humanly possible)and theres no way the sprockets can align without hitting the axle plate.Im hoping you might have some ideas cause i just chopped a perfectly good $2400 bike in half and now im not going to be riding this coming season,and im about to break somethig!
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01/19/14 at 19:59:42
axa wrote
on 12/28/13 at 04:20:18:
Im working on one.
Anybody else....
I got an 02 and ive cut my frame,tacked up the hardtail(straight as humanly possible)and theres no way the sprockets can align without hitting the axle plate.Im hoping you might have some ideas cause i just chopped a perfectly good $2400 bike in half and now im not going to be riding this coming season,and im about to break somethig!
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01/20/14 at 14:54:07
76scoot wrote
on 01/19/14 at 19:59:42:
axa wrote
on 12/28/13 at 04:20:18:
Im working on one.
Anybody else....
I got an 02 and ive cut my frame,tacked up the hardtail(straight as humanly possible)and theres no way the sprockets can align without hitting the axle plate.Im hoping you might have some ideas cause i just chopped a perfectly good $2400 bike in half and now im not going to be riding this coming season,and im about to break somethig!
did you do the chain conversion? did you make spacers to centre your back wheel? you could also use spacers on your front sprocket to adjust it side to side. throw up a picture of your situation
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/20/14 at 15:14:36
the front sprocketwould have to go towards the right side of the motor and the rear sprocket is touching the left side axleplate.theres just no more room to play with.this is the first time ive done a frame but im pretty sure its straight.im wondering if theres been a slight change with the more recent year models.i know most people are doing this with older/cheaper savages what year is yours,and have you got the motor and wheel in yet
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01/20/14 at 17:06:16
mine is a 97. i have the motor and wheel in but i have to make spacers to center my rear wheel. i just did a rough measurement and im getting around 1/2" spacer on the sprocket side and 2 1/16" on the brake side. you should post a picture because i dont see how the chain could hit the axle plate without hitting the frame tube first.
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/20/14 at 18:03:03
sorry i actually meant the frame.ill try to take some pics tomorrow and send'em to you.i think i got a tail that was off a little.first thing i notice when i looked at it was that where frame was notched to weld to the backbone was too small.i forced it through and it caused it to tweek and the distance between the axleplates was 9" instead of the 9 1/4 it should be.i figure wasnt cut far enough,screw it ill just take a little off.then i try to put the hard tail on and the bottom rails dont line up i was an ass and thought that the frame just sprung open a bit(about 1/4 to wide) and id just bring them in a little.did that,tack everything up,go to put the motor in and the bottomrear motor mount holes for the through bolt are too close from me bringin the rails closer together to match the hardtail.now whatever i might have done wrong w/backbone and alignment theres just no way i caused any movement in those bottom rails past the crossbrace.sorry man,one hell of a long rant
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/20/14 at 18:24:31
i had to take the top cross support tube off to open the frame up to accept the backbone. my bottom rails were too close together too.(thought the frame sprung open as well) i had to cut an 1/8" off each side of the rear motor mounts on the frame. about a 1/4" total like you said. but the motor fits great now. i understand your frustration all too well
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
Reply #41 -
01/21/14 at 10:35:40
Even when converting a swingarm Harley to a rigid... you do all the initial fit up, and often the outside final welding, with the engine/trans installed... Keeps the frame rails aligned properly.
Cut your tack welds (please tell me it is not already final welded), install the powerplant in the engine cradle, adjust the conversion section to fit your specific chassis. There is no such thing as a matched pair of Savage/S40 frames, each one is slightly different. Even jig built, there are differences in production tolerances.
Front ends are the same way. When I did my drum front wheel conversion I ended up using 5/8" i.d. fender washers to make wheel spacers. And there is a different amount on each side to center the rim and draw the fork legs in tight.
It is all trial and error, but pulling the engine as opposed to draping it in place with a welding blanket, was a mistake. It's just steel, you can fix it. Deep breathe, step back and have a nice cold beer, reset everything, and you'll nail it the next time.
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/21/14 at 11:18:23
only way to adjust the bottom rails would be heating with a torch and opening it up 1/4". cutting the 1/8" off each side of the rear motor mount on the frame is a good alternative if you dont have one.
but yes they will be all different, this was the simplest fix in my case (2 mins with a hacksaw)
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Re: Voodoo Vintage Hard Tail
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01/21/14 at 20:20:17
did you get the builders kit or a 2 pieces built?
i got the 2 piece, and when i got my frame i could swear it was made wrong, and was ready to chop the down tube.
but then then got word that it was likely mushed during shipping and just needed to wedge a block 9 1/4" in between the axle plates which strangely lowered the back bone angle and lined everything up...
that said i stopped working on mine as my car fell apart and needed attention, so i cant give better advice than that, but i for one expect to need to fab spacers for chain alignment.
more than that ill be a bit disappointed
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01/24/14 at 09:12:01
I got the 2 piece and mine was sitting at 9 1/4 between axle plates.It was either not coped enough or cut too long and I had to grind the coped end of the rails about 1/8 on each side for the backbone to fit nicely.I also took a little off the bottom of the backbone to get the planar alignment right.It still seems to me that the sprockets might be a little out of alignment even if I'm touching the rear sprocket to the frame rails but I have'nt tightened up motor & wheel all the way.I need to make some wheel spacers.For now I'm going to get some washers to stack together to get an idea what I'm looking at.My frame also had large axle slots.I figure they did that cause most people will go a with bigger wheel with a bigger axle.Unfortunetly I can't this year,not enough $ and time.I have to have this done by this season.Well,thats the issues I ran into.I bagged work today to try and get some real work done(work I prefer).I'll try to let you know of any more developments.Later
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