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help plz! starter clutch
04/29/13 at 06:00:36

Help please at abit of a loose end with wat too do! The teeth on my starter clutch and flywheel have been chewed off, so I got 2 questions really 1. Wat has caused this and 2. Wat is the best way to fix this cos I've been lookin at new starter clutches and there habit pricey. Any help or advice wud b much appreciated.
I first noticed sum thin was wrong wen the starter motor made a totally different sound to usual, so took the crankcase off and was left with this, what has caused it is the more worrying question.

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Re: help plz! starter clutch
Reply #1 - 04/29/13 at 06:05:41

What year is your bike?

Sometimes when the bike is shut off the piston comes up on the compression stroke while slowing down - then stops and suddenly goes backwards. This engages the starter pawl and tries to spin the starter backwards It can break gears and the case.

The early years did not have anything built into the clutch to help take the strain off the gears and case when this situation happens, and later years added an idler gear that had the ability to slip and relieve the pressure when this happens. You need to update your bike with these later parts.

Here is a link to a thread about it.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1288911670

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Re: help plz! starter clutch
Reply #2 - 04/29/13 at 07:24:22

Only thing ya can do is replace the gears.
requires that you pull the cover and pull the rotor off.
that requires a special puller.

The fix, and this goes for all you pre 5 speeds w/out the torque limiter gear... either upgrade to the later case and get the torque limiter gears or learn to snub the run down... shut her off and as she slowing down to a stop, help her along by letting out the clutch while in gear.

For those of you who have the 5 speeds with the TL... ever hear a spraung as you shut down? Now you know why. It's normal and your butte has just been saved.

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GENERAL5LEE YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #3 - 04/29/13 at 08:28:09 Cheers that made sense cos I had no idea wat cud b causing it,I'll get sum pictures up, its completely stripped sum of the teeth. Its a 1993 model
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gdrseeker Senior Member Offline Addicted!! Posts: 365 Carson Valley NV	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #4 - 04/29/13 at 09:41:21 If you decide you want to go the cheaper rout and buy some used parts I have the starter gears out of my 86 engine. They are in good condition. Just trying to sell some parts to recoup my investment. I will post a pic
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Re: help plz! starter clutch
Reply #6 - 05/29/14 at 09:48:50

verslagen1 wrote on 04/29/13 at 07:24:22:

Only thing ya can do is replace the gears.
requires that you pull the cover and pull the rotor off.
that requires a special puller.

The fix, and this goes for all you pre 5 speeds w/out the torque limiter gear... either upgrade to the later case and get the torque limiter gears or learn to snub the run down... shut her off and as she slowing down to a stop, help her along by letting out the clutch while in gear.

For those of you who have the 5 speeds with the TL... ever hear a spraung as you shut down? Now you know why. It's normal and your butte has just been saved.

Spraung? My bikes an 86 and it makes a sound that could be described as sprannncwinngggg on shut down.... what dat is? Huh

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Re: help plz! starter clutch
Reply #7 - 05/29/14 at 10:02:53

Jsud04 wrote on 05/29/14 at 09:48:50:

Spraung? My bikes an 86 and it makes a sound that could be described as sprannncwinngggg on shut down.... what dat is? Huh

New2you '86? Do you think the PO installed the upgrade?

You can check w/out pulling the cover.
remove the starter, stick you finger in the hole and feel the gear shown to the left of the hole. If it's 1 single gear, then it's not a TL gear. If it feels like 3 gears stacked on top of each other (there's space in between each gear) then you have a TL gear upgrade.

Otherwise, Ima thinking you nearly got you teet in a wringer.

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Jsud04 Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 223	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #8 - 05/29/14 at 10:15:00 Teet in a? Please explain this...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #9 - 05/29/14 at 10:20:44 Jsud04 wrote on 05/29/14 at 10:15:00: Teet in a? Please explain this... aka bent over a barrel in dire need of lube. in more plain terms... visiting the stealership.
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Jsud04 Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 223	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #10 - 05/29/14 at 10:54:37 What would make you think that?
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Jsud04 Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 223	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #11 - 05/30/14 at 10:26:17 I guess I would be interested in knowing the actual frequencies of occurrence for this issue vs the number of savages out there with no issues...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #12 - 05/30/14 at 10:54:16 11 threads for 'starter teeth broken' 18 for 'starter case broken' I'm sure there duplicates, omissions and key words I've overlooked.
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YoungSavage Junior Member Offline everyone knows I'm home by the KA-POW! Posts: 89 Monterey, California Gender:	Re: help plz! starter clutch Reply #13 - 05/31/14 at 00:06:02 Anybody have a p/n for the limiter assembly? I've been looking and nothing seems to pop up. Or maybe a decent ebay search that can get some results? YS
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Re: help plz! starter clutch
Reply #14 - 05/31/14 at 07:34:13

YoungSavage wrote on 05/31/14 at 00:06:02:

Anybody have a p/n for the limiter assembly? I've been looking and nothing seems to pop up. Or maybe a decent ebay search that can get some results?

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