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Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism
04/22/13 at 10:34:49

Another "thinky" thread asking how far you think Europe has gone down the sh#t hole.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/the-eu-is-the-new-communism-the-fi...

I've noticed that pundits and posters alike always talk about the downward spiral or path to communism but what if it is already there and just not in the form that we are used to seeing such as those versions under Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro or even Chavez. Because people are dying from governemnt welfare programs and other events that are not the typical "troops round up citizens and march them to death camps" meme that we are unaware that communism is now the norm in Europe.

Can we now say the Euro-zone is now under communist control?

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Reply #1 - 04/22/13 at 19:19:38

Yes the oppressive austerity, and having no ability to print currency thereby handing over control to EU (germany) may be the new communism. Europe is 1/2 way through a lost decade ... maybe a lost 2 decade ... who knows. Euro collapse is inevitable if you ask me, any of these bailout BS for the little countries just prolongs the pain.

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Reply #2 - 04/23/13 at 06:29:13

I'll do my very best not to take offense in such garbage, thank you very much.

Until proven otherwise, the USA as a Nation do NOT have an official currency as printed by the US Government; instead, they resort to a private bank, known as the "Federal Reserve", to issue their own currency for them.
But if we were to read definitions according to Criminal Codes of Law, instead of Monetary Laws, the FED would be defined as a "cartel".
Source, www.businessinsider.com
De Facto, the USA only own coins, but not other forms of tender.
Among the founders of such an organization, the family of known bankers and investors, ROTSCHILD; the British Crown; the Dutch Crown.

AND

Who owns the largest share of US Treasury bonds ? Last time I read about it, it was China.
Not as in "Taiwan", but as "People's Republic of", COMMUNIST China.

Should this mean that the world's leading capitalistic economy is actually in the hands of... God forbid... (please tick one)

[] Colonialistic Monarchies
[] Private investment bankers
[] Communist regimes with a population 5 times that of the USA
[] all of the above.

Huh

Let's just shut down this thread,shall we... Roll Eyes

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism Reply #3 - 04/23/13 at 08:58:12 the largest owner of US treasury bonds are the US citizens, 90% of our debt is to US citizens, NOT china
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Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism
Reply #4 - 04/23/13 at 12:45:00

LostArtist wrote on 04/23/13 at 08:58:12:

the largest owner of US treasury bonds are the US citizens, 90% of our debt is to US citizens, NOT china

Are you referring to the future unfunded liabilities? Or of the $16 trillion currently out there?

Which Foreign governments own the most U.S. debt?

Answer: Here is the Top 10 (as of Feb/2013)

1. China, Mainland, $1222.9 billion dollars
2. Japan, $1097.1 billion dollars
3. Carib Bnkng Ctrs**, $286.7 billion dollars
4. Brazil, $260.0 billion dollars
5. Oil Exporters*, $257.2 billion dollars
6. All Other, $238.9 billion dollars
7. Taiwan, $188.2 billion dollars
8. Switzerland, $185.8 billion dollars
9. Belgium, $184.9 billion dollars
10. Russia, $162.1 billion dollars

Of the $5.1 trillion dollars of US debt that is owned by foreign governments, China and Japan own nearly half.

Growth of US Debt Over Past 50 Years

Current: $16,781,967,702,405.37
2010: $13,178,317,356,215.73
2004: $07,379,052,696,330.32
1999: $05,656,270,901,615.43
1994: $04,692,749,910,013.32
1989: $02,857,430,960,187.32
1984: $01,572,266,000,000.00
1979: $00,826,519,000,000.00
1974: $00,475,059,815,731.55
1969: $00,353,720,253,841.41
1964: $00,311,712,899,257.30
1959: $00,284,705,907,078.22

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Dane Allen Serious Thumper Offline Carpe Diem!! Posts: 1217 Riverside, CA Gender:	Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism Reply #5 - 04/23/13 at 12:55:15 srinath wrote on 04/22/13 at 19:19:38: Yes the oppressive austerity.... This is only a necessity because of all the wasteful spending and debt accumulation over the decades. Play with fire and you get burned. Funny how you focus on the wrong aspect everytime.
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Midnightrider Serious Thumper Offline Alliance Member Posts: 3244 Winston Salem, NC	Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism Reply #6 - 04/23/13 at 15:37:29 Too many wars and too much military spending. There's no sign of it slowing down. They're gonna steal from the sick, elderly and middle class to keep it going.
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Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism
Reply #7 - 04/23/13 at 18:59:47

Dane Allen wrote on 04/23/13 at 12:45:00:

LostArtist wrote on 04/23/13 at 08:58:12:

the largest owner of US treasury bonds are the US citizens, 90% of our debt is to US citizens, NOT china

Are you referring to the future unfunded liabilities? Or of the $16 trillion currently out there?

Which Foreign governments own the most U.S. debt?

Answer: Here is the Top 10 (as of Feb/2013)

1. China, Mainland, $1222.9 billion dollars
2. Japan, $1097.1 billion dollars
3. Carib Bnkng Ctrs**, $286.7 billion dollars
4. Brazil, $260.0 billion dollars
5. Oil Exporters*, $257.2 billion dollars
6. All Other, $238.9 billion dollars
7. Taiwan, $188.2 billion dollars
8. Switzerland, $185.8 billion dollars
9. Belgium, $184.9 billion dollars
10. Russia, $162.1 billion dollars

Of the $5.1 trillion dollars of US debt that is owned by foreign governments, China and Japan own nearly half.

Growth of US Debt Over Past 50 Years

Current: $16,781,967,702,405.37
2010: $13,178,317,356,215.73
2004: $07,379,052,696,330.32
1999: $05,656,270,901,615.43
1994: $04,692,749,910,013.32
1989: $02,857,430,960,187.32
1984: $01,572,266,000,000.00
1979: $00,826,519,000,000.00
1974: $00,475,059,815,731.55
1969: $00,353,720,253,841.41
1964: $00,311,712,899,257.30
1959: $00,284,705,907,078.22

Oh good finally you're begining to look @ numbers ...

OK here is some more extra credit questions for you.

Yes japan holds 1.1 trillion of US debt, and china 1.2 trillion. Can you tell me how much Japanese debt america owns ? Including private investment funds - cos these numbers are not excluding private investments.

I know we hold almost 300 billion british debt cos apparently that is a hot button issue including one time david cameron's mis statement which became an issue over there last year. We have more of their debt than they have of ours.

I believe china would still hold a good majority after we deduct the amount we hold from what they hold.

But all other countries we hold nearly as much of their debt as they do of ours. This is a global economy, some people are sick of buying bonds for the bridge over their river, they buy some bonds for the bridge across the Thames.

I'd like to cut china and russia out of this list though ... but it is dollar denominated debt and we can just print em 1 nice trillion $ bill ... but we're paying them 1.6% interest and we dont care cos, we have 4% inflation.

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Re: Interesting Concept: EU as the New Communism
Reply #8 - 04/23/13 at 22:17:46

Midnightrider wrote on 04/23/13 at 15:37:29:

Too many wars and too much military spending. There's no sign of it slowing down. They're gonna steal from the sick, elderly and middle class to keep it going.

They are raping the future to pay for their excess at present and soo many fools go along with it. They sell themselves for a cell phone or a craphole apartment and brag about the whole deal.

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Reply #9 - 04/24/13 at 07:15:40

Dane Allen wrote on 04/23/13 at 22:17:46:

Midnightrider wrote on 04/23/13 at 15:37:29:

Too many wars and too much military spending. There's no sign of it slowing down. They're gonna steal from the sick, elderly and middle class to keep it going.

They are raping the future to pay for their excess at present and soo many fools go along with it. They sell themselves for a cell phone or a craphole apartment and brag about the whole deal.

You do know that "They" in this statement is Cheney and Bush right ? I think you do, which is why you said "they".

Obama didn't go to 2 wars 1/2 way round the world.

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Reply #10 - 04/24/13 at 20:17:18

srinath wrote on 04/24/13 at 07:15:40:

Dane Allen wrote on 04/23/13 at 22:17:46:

Midnightrider wrote on 04/23/13 at 15:37:29:

Too many wars and too much military spending. There's no sign of it slowing down. They're gonna steal from the sick, elderly and middle class to keep it going.

They are raping the future to pay for their excess at present and soo many fools go along with it. They sell themselves for a cell phone or a craphole apartment and brag about the whole deal.

You do know that "They" in this statement is Cheney and Bush right ? I think you do, which is why you said "they".

Obama didn't go to 2 wars 1/2 way round the world.

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Last time I checked we were still in Afganistan and in Iraq to a lesser extent....So I guess we can credit Obama with just 1.5 wars half way round the world

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Reply #11 - 04/25/13 at 07:09:07

Dane Allen wrote on 04/24/13 at 20:17:18:

srinath wrote on 04/24/13 at 07:15:40:

Dane Allen wrote on 04/23/13 at 22:17:46:

Midnightrider wrote on 04/23/13 at 15:37:29:

Too many wars and too much military spending. There's no sign of it slowing down. They're gonna steal from the sick, elderly and middle class to keep it going.

They are raping the future to pay for their excess at present and soo many fools go along with it. They sell themselves for a cell phone or a craphole apartment and brag about the whole deal.

You do know that "They" in this statement is Cheney and Bush right ? I think you do, which is why you said "they".

Obama didn't go to 2 wars 1/2 way round the world.

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Last time I checked we were still in Afganistan and in Iraq to a lesser extent....So I guess we can credit Obama with just 1.5 wars half way round the world

As soon as you check and find out that he sent them there ... instead of attempting to remove them ... you can credit him with 1.5 wars.

I'll tell you what he should have done and may have if we were not in iraq and afghanisthan - send them to libya and syria. 2 wars we would have won in a week ... topple the dictator and leave. Now al quaida is doing that.

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Reply #12 - 04/25/13 at 10:10:36

We had no business in Libya. Those Abused people had the highest standard of living of all Africa. Gaddafi had used $$$ from oil sales to build infrastructure, instead of taxing the people. He rode thru town standing up, head & shoulders out of the car. No one tried to kill him. Was he a saint? Nooope.. did you wanna cross him? Noooo.. The goobs paid for college, gave newlyweds $$$, it was a decent place to live.

His SIN??? He wouldnt get in the $$$ game. He wouldnt accept loans from IMF & World Bank & he had his own $$$
AND, he was starting to make noises about NOt accepting Dollars for oil.

He committed suicide when he did that.

BUT, the same corporations that he pissed off own & operate the media, SO< you got told a load of hogwash & believe it..
please, for the sake of our children, WAKE UP

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Reply #13 - 04/25/13 at 12:15:36

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As soon as you check and find out that he sent them there ... instead of attempting to remove them ... you can credit him with 1.5 wars.

I blame the guy in charge and who is keeping them there. Is that how the "inherit" excuse works? So, if Obama keeps them there the next 20 years after he becomes president for life then you will still blame Bush but give Obama a pass for continuing the still unfunded wars into perpetuity? Kinda childish, don't ya think?

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I'll tell you what he should have done and may have if we were not in iraq and afghanisthan - send them to libya and syria. 2 wars we would have won in a week ... topple the dictator and leave. Now al quaida is doing that.

Ohhh, you wanted to fight other unfunded wars, I see!!! Aganistan and Iraq took away from starting unfunded wars in Lybia and Syria. Shocked

Ok, time to make up an excuse to go do something else... Shocked

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Reply #14 - 04/25/13 at 17:36:27

Dane Allen wrote on 04/25/13 at 12:15:36:

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As soon as you check and find out that he sent them there ... instead of attempting to remove them ... you can credit him with 1.5 wars.

I blame the guy in charge and who is keeping them there. Is that how the "inherit" excuse works? So, if Obama keeps them there the next 20 years after he becomes president for life then you will still blame Bush but give Obama a pass for continuing the still unfunded wars into perpetuity? Kinda childish, don't ya think?

Bush still sent them there ... Obama kept them there ... and at this point Obama is withdrawing at a slower pace than he promised in 08. That's what I'll hold him to. If he's president in 20 years ... and they are still there, the current withdrawl credit has been nullified and he get blamed for sending them in/back in.

Dane Allen wrote on 04/25/13 at 12:15:36:

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I'll tell you what he should have done and may have if we were not in iraq and afghanisthan - send them to libya and syria. 2 wars we would have won in a week ... topple the dictator and leave. Now al quaida is doing that.

Ohhh, you wanted to fight other unfunded wars, I see!!! Aganistan and Iraq took away from starting unfunded wars in Lybia and Syria. Shocked

Ok, time to make up an excuse to go do something else... Shocked

No one is making any excuses ... some of us have to make a living so we can pay the 23% taxes that RMoney is paying about 1/2 of.

Anyway I was not talking about a large scale occupation of 2 countries. I was talking about a 1 week drone drone drone boom, and done. And that was after the rebels reached critical mass. And non concurrently ... BTW This was what John McCain suggested for libya in 2011 and is suggesting for Syria now.

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