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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #30 - 04/03/13 at 20:37:05

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #31 - 04/03/13 at 21:43:19

Digger wrote on 04/03/13 at 20:37:05:

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

He said the bike came from Rome....Durn furin jobs, anyway! Grin

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #32 - 04/04/13 at 04:18:25

So, i know that these aren't the floats (which seems impossible to find on this side of the pond) but due to a very bad floats bowl gasket that i assume i have to change i thought that it might be helpful going with this kit:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/350714950552?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984...

Is it a good call or a waste of money?
Oh, and not to mention that this morning while checking on the rust-fighting vinegar in the tank i found two pin sized hole in the bottom of the tank near the petcock... a previous owner had them sealed with some kind of rubber, that i basically peeled off with the tip of a screwdriver.
It's gettin' better and better....

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #33 - 04/04/13 at 04:23:30

Digger wrote on 04/03/13 at 20:37:05:

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

Hey man, thanks anyway... i really don't know, but i guess that it's the stock carb, the rest of the bike it's stock from top to bottom so i don't think that someone before me had messed with the carb...

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #34 - 04/04/13 at 04:54:39

maxtowers wrote on 04/04/13 at 04:18:25:

So, i know that these aren't the floats (which seems impossible to find on this side of the pond) but due to a very bad floats bowl gasket that i assume i have to change i thought that it might be helpful going with this kit:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/350714950552?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984...

Is it a good call or a waste of money?
Oh, and not to mention that this morning while checking on the rust-fighting vinegar in the tank i found two pin sized hole in the bottom of the tank near the petcock... a previous owner had them sealed with some kind of rubber, that i basically peeled off with the tip of a screwdriver.
It's gettin' better and better....

The kit does not have the jets that I would suggest you install.

I guess you need to clean and seal your tank. I don't know what is available in your area - but I just ordered Caswell Plating Fuel Tank sealer which is an epoxy. My next choice is the POR15 Fuel Tank sealer. The epoxy is supposed to be more durable, fill holes better, and is less fussy about surface condition.

This is who I bought the sealer from. You can buy it directly from Caswell - but it is not any cheaper unless you buy 6 at a time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261044390009?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m...

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Reply #35 - 04/04/13 at 06:28:43

The floats look to be brass so if you do find a leak you can solder it closed. When I was a kid buying new parts was not an option and I repaired several brass floats in small engines. How do floats get beat up like that, they can't do it on there own.

I can't contribute much to this discussion since I am not well versed in carbs but I do want to say that 1) the technical expertise on this forum beats any on the internet and 2) the way you guys follow through on a problem and continue to offer support is also tops.

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #36 - 04/04/13 at 06:32:55

Dave wrote on 04/04/13 at 04:54:39:

maxtowers wrote on 04/04/13 at 04:18:25:

So, i know that these aren't the floats (which seems impossible to find on this side of the pond) but due to a very bad floats bowl gasket that i assume i have to change i thought that it might be helpful going with this kit:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/350714950552?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984...

Is it a good call or a waste of money?
Oh, and not to mention that this morning while checking on the rust-fighting vinegar in the tank i found two pin sized hole in the bottom of the tank near the petcock... a previous owner had them sealed with some kind of rubber, that i basically peeled off with the tip of a screwdriver.
It's gettin' better and better....

The kit does not have the jets that I would suggest you install.

I guess you need to clean and seal your tank. I don't know what is available in your area - but I just ordered Caswell Plating Fuel Tank sealer which is an epoxy. My next choice is the POR15 Fuel Tank sealer. The epoxy is supposed to be more durable, fill holes better, and is less fussy about surface condition.

This is who I bought the sealer from. You can buy it directly from Caswell - but it is not any cheaper unless you buy 6 at a time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261044390009?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m...

Hey Dave thanks, i suppose i can save those 25€ of the kit and use them to restore the inside of the tank... i found here in Italy a company that produce a tank restorer for collectible cars and bikes, it goes for around 50€, it has an epoxy primer and an epoxy coating that resist to gasoline and diesel fuel alike... now i go drain the tank from the vinegar and see how it worked.

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #37 - 04/04/13 at 09:36:48

Once the tank is clean inside, you need to lightly dimple the area around the rust out and have the holes soldered shut. Old fashioned copper pipe type plumbing solder. Any traditional radiator repair shop can do the work. A metal repair along with a good epoxy or bake in liner and the tank will be good for several more years (if not decades).

I rebuilt and restored to full operational status a set of rusted out 1938 Indian tank halves. Solder is cheap, linings are cheap, new tanks for that era are not. Worked great.

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #38 - 04/04/13 at 10:58:13

Digger wrote on 04/03/13 at 20:37:05:

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

errata corridge:
I found a magnifing glass in a drower and i gave another shot at what the carb says, and here it is:
24B40
E3Z1
Also, thanks to the mentioned magnifing glass, i have been able to read the size of the main jet: 130
and the pilot air jet : 70
Now i realize that it might not change anything, but just in case...

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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor? Reply #39 - 04/04/13 at 12:39:04 70 pilot jet... wow... you should have a cylinder so soggy that it drowned the spark plug. 55 is too big for most of our machines. 70 is putting you in Big Twin Harley territory...
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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #40 - 04/04/13 at 14:41:05

WD wrote on 04/04/13 at 12:39:04:

70 pilot jet... wow... you should have a cylinder so soggy that it drowned the spark plug. 55 is too big for most of our machines. 70 is putting you in Big Twin Harley territory...

Yes, but it's the "Pilot air jet", the one that is under the diaphram... the one next to the main jet, that for what i've seen in the "carburetor cleanup" tutorial on the technical section is reffered as pilot jet is 47.5...
At this point maybe the pilot is too small, what do you think? should i try a 50?
I'm sorry but i'm new to this stuff so you need to have some patience with this newbie...

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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor? Reply #41 - 04/04/13 at 16:17:29 I'll have to re-read the thread and get back to you. 47.5 is stock on older machines, 50 or 52.5 should be more than adequate. Misread the jet you were referencing, I've never pulled the slide out of mine. Never saw a need for the white spacer or needle jet washer stack mods.
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Reply #42 - 04/04/13 at 17:25:41

Now i noticed looking back at that ebay listing that i posted at reply #32 and that Dave told me that those were not the jets that he would suggest me, well, those are in effect the jets that i have on my carb, so i guess those are the OEM parts... So back to square one, probably it's just the rust and filth in the tank...

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #43 - 04/05/13 at 20:12:04

maxtowers wrote on 04/04/13 at 10:58:13:

Digger wrote on 04/03/13 at 20:37:05:

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

errata corridge:
I found a magnifing glass in a drower and i gave another shot at what the carb says, and here it is:
24B40
E3Z1
Also, thanks to the mentioned magnifing glass, i have been able to read the size of the main jet: 130
and the pilot air jet : 70
Now i realize that it might not change anything, but just in case...

Some old ID numbers I dug up for pre-'89 model carbs:

24B00, 24B20

Hmmmmm.....

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Re: trouble running, maybe the carburetor?
Reply #44 - 04/06/13 at 10:50:54

Digger wrote on 04/05/13 at 20:12:04:

maxtowers wrote on 04/04/13 at 10:58:13:

Digger wrote on 04/03/13 at 20:37:05:

maxtowers wrote on 04/03/13 at 14:52:57:

Digger wrote on 04/02/13 at 20:39:26:

Max,

What does your carb body indicate here?:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/CarbIDLocation2E.jpg

Then, we'll know what carb you have.....

Good luck!

Ok, here's what it says:

24040
E3Z1

Hope it says something to you,
thanks a lot

I can't find that ID anywhere.

The top line should be one of the following choices:

24C4, 24C5, 24C6, 24C7, 24C2.

You may not have a stock carb......dunno!

errata corridge:
I found a magnifing glass in a drower and i gave another shot at what the carb says, and here it is:
24B40
E3Z1
Also, thanks to the mentioned magnifing glass, i have been able to read the size of the main jet: 130
and the pilot air jet : 70
Now i realize that it might not change anything, but just in case...

Some old ID numbers I dug up for pre-'89 model carbs:

24B00, 24B20

Hmmmmm.....

I'm starting suspecting that the bike it's not a 1994... probably imported from France; the id plate on the steering tube it's all in french.

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