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Reply #91 - 04/30/13 at 16:48:50

I've drained the engine and changed oil and filter... But, with great disappointment, this evening i was coming back home from a day of work, and the engine started to chuckle again... backfiring a lot more then when i put the bike back toghether on sunday; as a matter of fact both sunday night and yesterday, the backfiring was disappeared...
I'm gonna try now with the warmer spark plug and see if it helps...
if not i've decided to take it to a well trusted carb specialist

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Reply #93 - 05/01/13 at 16:22:16

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/01/13 at 08:40:57:

How long is it running before it starts acting up?

Well, it usually run fine for let's say 30 miles, usually they are short trips, small commuting to work, but i've tried also longer stretch, and in this case seems that it clog up a little slower, but eventually it starts to backfire and running clumsy, wanting to die... so i clean up the park plug and it runs fine again untill starts all over...
Changing the muffler to a less restricted one might help? i've noticed that changing muffler needs rejecting to bigger bore, so if my jets are too rich, it might help the breathing of the engine... But if i also have to go to cone air filter i just change jets...

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Reply #94 - 05/01/13 at 19:21:04

Next time it starts to act up, how about finding a safe place & pull over. Take tools & catch container. Drain the bowl. BE Careful, hot engine, if you spill anything, make sure its all gone before you fire it up. Dont need a fire,,,
See whats in that bowl.
Let the bowl refill & give it another run down the road,
any additional symptoms?

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Reply #95 - 05/02/13 at 03:53:19

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/01/13 at 19:21:04:

Next time it starts to act up, how about finding a safe place & pull over. Take tools & catch container. Drain the bowl. BE Careful, hot engine, if you spill anything, make sure its all gone before you fire it up. Dont need a fire,,,
See whats in that bowl.
Let the bowl refill & give it another run down the road,
any additional symptoms?

No, there aren't any other symptoms, or at least that i can recognize...
What i have to look for when i drain the bowl? too much gas in there or something that doesn't belong, like dirt?

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Reply #96 - 05/02/13 at 04:36:19

Everytime I see that photo of your float......I can't help but think that you will never get this engine to run correctly with a collapsed float. It may not be leaking - but it does not have the volume it had before it collapsed and I can't see how you can have a proper fuel level.

How hard/expensive is gettng a new float for you where you live? I sure think is would be a good investment.

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Reply #97 - 05/02/13 at 04:46:37

Dave wrote on 05/02/13 at 04:36:19:

Everytime I see that photo of your float......I can't help but think that you will never get this engine to run correctly with a collapsed float. It may not be leaking - but it does not have the volume it had before it collapsed and I can't see how you can have a proper fuel level.

How hard/expensive is gettng a new float for you where you live? I sure think is would be a good investment.

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Reply #98 - 05/02/13 at 05:48:55

Dave wrote on 05/02/13 at 04:36:19:

Everytime I see that photo of your float......I can't help but think that you will never get this engine to run correctly with a collapsed float. It may not be leaking - but it does not have the volume it had before it collapsed and I can't see how you can have a proper fuel level.

How hard/expensive is gettng a new float for you where you live? I sure think is would be a good investment.

Periodically, carburetors for this bike show up on eBay for not much money. Might be worth checking there if you can't find a float locally or it costs more than a used carburetor.

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Reply #99 - 05/02/13 at 06:01:39

DavidOfMA wrote on 05/02/13 at 05:48:55:

Dave wrote on 05/02/13 at 04:36:19:

Everytime I see that photo of your float......I can't help but think that you will never get this engine to run correctly with a collapsed float. It may not be leaking - but it does not have the volume it had before it collapsed and I can't see how you can have a proper fuel level.

How hard/expensive is gettng a new float for you where you live? I sure think is would be a good investment.

Periodically, carburetors for this bike show up on eBay for not much money. Might be worth checking there if you can't find a float locally or it costs more than a used carburetor.

DavidofMA.....You do realize the owner (maxtowers)is in Italy? The eBay listings you are seeing may not apply to his location. When WAMBR, PaulMarshall, maxtowers and a few others post....we have to adapt the response to fit their areas. Those salvage yards we all can access on eBay here in the US aren't of any use to the people outside the US.

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Reply #100 - 05/02/13 at 15:55:10

Dave wrote on 05/02/13 at 06:01:39:

DavidOfMA wrote on 05/02/13 at 05:48:55:

Dave wrote on 05/02/13 at 04:36:19:

Everytime I see that photo of your float......I can't help but think that you will never get this engine to run correctly with a collapsed float. It may not be leaking - but it does not have the volume it had before it collapsed and I can't see how you can have a proper fuel level.

How hard/expensive is gettng a new float for you where you live? I sure think is would be a good investment.

Periodically, carburetors for this bike show up on eBay for not much money. Might be worth checking there if you can't find a float locally or it costs more than a used carburetor.

DavidofMA.....You do realize the owner (maxtowers)is in Italy? The eBay listings you are seeing may not apply to his location. When WAMBR, PaulMarshall, maxtowers and a few others post....we have to adapt the response to fit their areas. Those salvage yards we all can access on eBay here in the US aren't of any use to the people outside the US.

And the fun part of it it's that even if i want to order a brand new one the stealer will raise a lot of "but, if, i don't know, etc..." I mean how hard could for mikuni or some distributor having in some warehouse a few parts for the european market? (just a small rant)
Anyway, i still have hope to find something in Germany or the UK... i' m scanning Ebay constantly.... i feel you Dave, and i share the same opinion about those floats... i will keep looking for them, and even a for a complete carb if necessary... I like this bike too much to give up on her.

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Reply #102 - 05/02/13 at 21:03:03

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DavidofMA.....You do realize the owner (maxtowers)is in Italy? The eBay listings you are seeing may not apply to his location. When WAMBR, PaulMarshall, maxtowers and a few others post....we have to adapt the response to fit their areas. Those salvage yards we all can access on eBay here in the US aren't of any use to the people outside the US.

Dave, I do pay attention to where people are posting from. I understand that he is in Italy, and assume that individual owners in Italy or neighboring countries might sell their bike parts on eBay just like they do here. I wasn't thinking of salvage yards. I bought a spare carb from an individual on eBay.

Also, most individual eBay sellers I've bought from will ship anywhere. I've bought stuff on eBay that shipped from China, Australia, England, and the Ukraine, and I live in the U.S.

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Reply #103 - 05/02/13 at 23:01:14

Only two things I can think of,.. that would would cause this...
... a slowed flow from the petcock... that starves out the engine, given time...
... a slow leak in a float, just above the full fuel level,... that only begins to take on fuel, as the float level drops low enough to expose the leak...(but has time to evaporate out, and raise the float above the leak, after sitting)...(that's a stretch)...

I'd pull the petcock first, and look for some clogging on the pick-up tubes... (just 'cause it's easier to check)....

With 102 posts.. either we suck... or you have a very unusual problem...
... but we're stubborn... don't give up...
At this point,.. we absolutely must find out what's going on...
We're with you in spirit... Huh

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PS... if it's neither of those...(... and I don't have time to read back over all 102 previous posts)...
I'd start looking for an electrical, overheating component...

JMHO...
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Reply #104 - 05/03/13 at 06:57:13

DavidOfMA wrote on 05/02/13 at 21:03:03:

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Dave, I do pay attention to where people are posting from. I understand that he is in Italy, and assume that individual owners in Italy or neighboring countries might sell their bike parts on eBay just like they do here. I wasn't thinking of salvage yards. I bought a spare carb from an individual on eBay.

Also, most individual eBay sellers I've bought from will ship anywhere. I've bought stuff on eBay that shipped from China, Australia, England, and the Ukraine, and I live in the U.S.

Sorry if I mispoke....typed. I suppose on something as small as a float or a carb is it possible to ship that far. I know that someone posted a few months ago that the parts supply in his country from wrecked or salvaged bikes was just not available....they did not have the same kind of internet salvage yards that we have here in the US.

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