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Re: Overheated engine pics
Reply #15 - 02/13/13 at 11:18:22
 
I didn't check the compression since the owner wanted me to rebuild the engine....stock vacuum petcock was in place and apparently working fine. Remember this bike came to me in the middle of January and I didn't ride it far, less than a mile in 15 degree weather. Engine mileage was a little over 32,000. The owner is checking his budget and deciding whether he wants the High Comp Big Bore Kit and ported head. Since the cam & rockers need to be reground anyway he is going with a performance regrind.
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Reply #16 - 02/13/13 at 19:54:22
 
Do not leave the stock vac petcock on the machine -- a big piston and hot cam and opened up exhaust and intake mean you put a Raptor on it 100%.

Stock petcock depends on vacuum levels that will not exist on that modded engine any more.   And the modded engine will require more gas than a stock vac petcock will deliver at all speeds and intake vac conditions.

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If the bike has 30,000 miles on the clock, those cam lobes look positively cherry compared to most of what I have seen with not quite that many miles on them.

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Reply #17 - 02/13/13 at 20:00:38
 
OK.....thanks for the info....a raptor petcock it will be.
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Reply #18 - 02/14/13 at 05:27:22
 
So.....What makes you think the engine was overheated as stated in the title?  I don't see any burnt valves, scorched piston or cylinder, trashed bearings?  I see an engine with a lot of miles on it, and one that possibly didn't get the oil changed regularly and got some wear as a result.  It might have been running a bit lean.....but overheated....I am not sure?  
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Reply #19 - 02/14/13 at 06:28:14
 
I have seen this many times in the past. That white color of the exhaust valves and the bright white spark plug tip is a clear indication of excessive heat due to a lean running engine...remember lean running engines run hot and this one was clearly run lean & hot. When I took my own  engine apart this winter the valves were a dark gray color, the spark plug was a light tan color indicating cooler running and proper jetting.
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Reply #20 - 02/14/13 at 06:43:34
 
Also, the piston top had a LOT of carbon buildup, the piston skirts were a little scuffed but not bad, the cylinder walls were NOT scored, the cam bearing surfaces in the cylinder head were not damaged.....there was nothing to indicate it had been run low on oil OR that the oil had been run way beyond its normal change interval. I will be 63 on Sunday, I have been working on engines since I was 15 years old and in my experience I think this engine was run hot but not to the point of mechanical failure. I hope this information helps someone determine what they see in their engines in the future. If and when I get an engine in my shop that has different characteristics I will post some pics like this to help folks understand what they are seeing inside their engines.
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Reply #21 - 02/14/13 at 07:10:03
 
I guess that what the confusion I had with the title.....the engine had not failed as a result of running lean.....or hot.

The Savage as jetted from the factory makes white exhaust valves, and the majority of them run this way without issue.  THe only way that this changes is when the owner or dealer pulls the brass plug and makes an adjustment, and/or does some re-jetting.  Stock the bike just motors along running lean for miles and miles and miles.....but when the owner changes to a free flowing muffler or puts on a clamp on filter......then the lean condition can get excessive.

Yep......I saw the white valves and white exhaust port and I agree that if I tore down a motor 10 years ago and saw this....I would have been spooked.  On the Savage....it is not unusual.
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Re: Overheated engine pics
Reply #22 - 02/14/13 at 07:25:22
 

Ah, Suzuki you little devil you ....  EPA leaned on you and in response you set our bikes up to be super lean running critters to make the US gov'ment happy.  

You traded off our long term engine life so you could sell an obsolete design in a super lean condition for what, 20 more years?  

The engine fooled you though, it could take it.  

ST, don't get mad -- all the lean/hot symptoms you saw are real and they exist in all of the stock Savage bikes all of the time.   My spark plug looks like white death every time I looked at it and my exhaust valves still are always white on stem and tulip.

I spend a lot of time (and some money) to get back the 10% performance that Suzuki traded off to the EPA, and I got it all back and more at the cost of really poor gas mileage compared to the old stock engine/carb set up.

And ST, how could you / how should you know that the guts you took pictures of are normal enough looking guts?   What crazy company would ever DO that to their product on purpose, and then to add insult to injury put a solid brass plug over the carb adjustment screw so you CAN'T rectify it?  

Certainly no German company would do that ....

Ah, the Savage.   Needs to be tweeked to run at full power and has to have special selected oil to live a full life.   It isn't very fast nor is it very powerful for its displacement, but it has good torque and fits old creaky legged old men just fine.

That's why we loves it so ...


actually, we loves it for what it does up in the mountains where it is in its natural habitat.   Can't go over 85 mph up in the mountains on even the longest straight away and the torque will blast you out of a corner faster than most all the bikes up there, save the crotch rockets which are GONE so fast you didn't even really notice them blow past you.
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Re: Overheated engine pics
Reply #23 - 02/14/13 at 18:39:01
 
I see said the blind carpenter as he picked up his hammer and saw! The first thing I did when I bought my Savage was to drill out the brass plug and adjust the mixture.....the backfiring departed and better throttle response arrived. Something I learned way back in the 70.s when Uncle Sam made the car manufacturers put plastic caps on the carb idle mixture screws. There's an old Irish saying......fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice, shame on me Wink
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