bill67 wrote on 01/24/13 at 09:05:01:


Wrong as usual, bill.

I guess it's time to put WAR in the title of this thread (again) ......

Bill, are you skipping your surface bait for oil wars again?    

And the rest of you guys , are you really going to be baited by Bill yet again into yet another fruitless discussion of how dirty your real world oil gets in use vs the ever-red wonder oil?    

Pulezee .....        


(must be mid winter boredom again)



  PS, I like Routy's thought -- if you are gonna talk to Bill on this one, you have to do it in his native tongue.   If you can't speak in billish, you can't play.  

That will make you think your thoughts out good and then TRANSLATE your thoughts into Billish, which in turn will make it interesting/humorous for the rest of us to read.

If you are a new person, now is the time to put on your standard issue Kevlar long johns and start digging your own personal fox hole ....
oil war is about to occur yet again.

Why is it in all jap cars and motorcycles the oil never got as dirty as American cars and motorcycles.Gyro maybe the American oil didn't know how to clean the jap vehicles.

bill67 wrote on 01/25/13 at 09:17:32:

What is your source for this info?

See, and you got rewarded with two angels for your kind thoughts and for being a "kinder and gentler" gentleman.

(and in a proto oil war two angels is about as good as anyone has ever gotten, ever)

But still, the new readers had to be reminded about the ever moving EPA driven neutering of the oils here in the USA and how our old comments (written back in the SJ era?) have to be taken with a grain of salt as we are currently in the absolutely nutless SN era and very few oils are actually good for a Savage any more.

And I was overjoyed to find a new Mobil1 oil bottle with some data to back it up, and only found it mildly ironic that the old bone stock standard SJ era Mobil1 "red cap" specs can now only be sold today as a "Racing Only" oil.



It sucks to have a 1970's designed valve train in 2013, really it does.   And we do have to be careful about what we pour into our sumps or our tappets will dish out on us.

bill67 wrote on 01/25/13 at 09:17:32:


The answer is the obvious difference in cultural values. The Japanese take pride in cleanliness. That cultural value even applies to their motor oil. They invented a new form of internal combustion that does not produce oxidation, water, or carbon so the oil in their cars and motorcycles stays cleaner.

My response is as much total nonsense as the question.

Now, back to the first question about oil change intervals, given the likely service life of a Suzuki LS650, I would think the manufacturer's recommendation for oil changes would be more than adequate unless ridden in an extreme environment. The best answer though, is really what you feel comfortable with. My opinion (and it is just an opinion) is that there would not be a difference in the service life of a bike changed every 1,500 miles and one changed every 5,000 miles. Given to low sump volume and the tendency to consume oil at highway speeds (at least with my bike) I would think keeping the oil level topped off would be more important to service life than accelerated change intervals. Just my 2 cents.

Also, for those who like to think about such .... the oils we do recommend on the Recommended Oils Listing are some very good oils.  

Especially the "temperature proof" full synthetics.

Indeed, they all "technically" could go multi-year between oil changes except for the two facts of gearbox shear and silica (dust) build up over time that are still throwing a wrench into the long life works.

And everybody is right, if you have an oil consuming Savage your make up oil keeps everything "fresh enough" when just considering the additive packages.

------ for example, Verslagen ....

At his worst oil consumption rate before he did his engine rebuilds, he was adding oil weekly at a rate that actually changed out his oil like twice a year.

Me, I only replace half my sump between my yearly oil changes, but I do document my oil changes on the smagnet thread so if you want to see what it looks like just search "supermagnet on oil filter" and you can see what muli-year magnet backed oil filter change would look like.

Oil always gets black if you actually ride your bike a lot, no matter what color it starts out as.


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