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Re: A little plug work
Reply #45 - 09/26/14 at 20:06:56

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/26/14 at 16:07:46:

How about a pic of that little lathe? Did ya open it up & study it for needing cleaned up castings or lubed better or anything? Ive heard about guys who did some "Fine Tuning" on theirs & got really good results with those HF things.

There's quite a few posts on cleaning them up and aligning them.

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Reply #46 - 09/28/14 at 20:52:10

Ver, you have a PM.

I think I'd be a a good candidate to beta test these things. My OEM plug (which was an old-style plug, my bike being a 2001 - and the plug was not leaking) was removed at 600 miles on the bike and then gooped with ThreeBond 1104 and replaced. I pulled that plug at 5200 miles (it was not leaking), then reused it after cleaning it up as good as I could (the 1104 was extremely hard to remove). I gooped it with the 1104 before reinserting.

That time, the plug started leaking after only 100 miles (5300 miles). I suspect that I probably damaged same in my futile but vigorous efforts to remove all traces of the 1104 from it. I then swore off of the 1104. While it worked well, it was just too hard to remove. In any event, ThreeBond discontinued the 1104 some time ago.

At 5300 miles, I popped a brand new (old-style) plug in there, gooping same with Permatex® Ultra Copper® Maximum Temperature RTV Silicone Gasket Maker.

That plug started leaking at 9600 miles (i.e. it lasted 4300 miles). At 10,100 miles, I replaced it with a new style (solid rubber) plug, gooping it with Permatex® Ultra Rubber Gasket Sealant & Dressing.

Now, with 13,900 miles on the bike (3800 miles on the plug), I've got another oil leak that looks a lot like a head plug leak. I'm not absolutely certain, as I've not torn into it yet, but my money's on the head plug. :'(

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Re: A little plug work
Reply #47 - 10/06/14 at 19:21:19

I received Verslagen's head plug today:

(I stole Verslagen's picture). Ver, you do good work!

Now, I'd like some advice.

When I'm installing said plug (which features two silicone o-rings), should I dress said o-rings with anything? If nothing else, I'll slather a bit of silicone grease on them (good to 600 deg F), but I'm seriously considering dressing them with Permatex® Ultra Rubber Gasket Sealant & Dressing.

Reason? I've had good luck using this stuff on lots of rubber gaskets, to include the o-rings that seal the Savage's valve cover inspection caps and also on the bike's camshaft end caps.

Thoughts?

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: A little plug work Reply #48 - 10/06/14 at 19:36:32 I haven't and I have one for the valve cover too. That's been on for almost a year too and whereas the other is a stock one... it's taken a set or flattened and the red one hasn't.
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Re: A little plug work
Reply #49 - 10/07/14 at 04:20:46

To seal.....or not to seal....that is the question.

I don't know that this is a "right" answer. The stock plug is definitely one that should be sealed....Suzuki has proven that it will leak eventually if you don't seal it. Verslagen's plug has 2 O-rings that will seal under compression, and in most situations you only need to lubricate the O-ring and it will do the work. Applying a sealer and gluing it in place will most likely provide a seal as well.....however the O-rings will be locked in place and not doing anything but taking up space once the sealer cures.

Is the top O-ring compressed onto the head when the head cover is bolted on? If so.....I might put a little sealer on the top O-ring and just lubricate the hole before pushing the plug in....being careful not to get any lube on the top of the hole where the sealer would be. That way the top O-ring is sealed in place, and the bottom one is free to do the O-ring thing.

It's a tough call.....you are exploring a new era in head plug repair.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: A little plug work Reply #51 - 10/07/14 at 13:04:53 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/07/14 at 07:51:21: What's the most pressure that they will see? Ever eat a bean burrito?
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Re: A little plug work
Reply #52 - 10/07/14 at 13:28:48

Mmmm,, that much, ehh? Im surprised those flimsy head cover bolts keep the thing in at all.. If I eat Navy beans I can get a 2 masted ship up on plane..

Years ago I saw a video of a hung over truck driver who felt so bad he just TOOK an Alka-Seltser. No glass O water to put it in, No water to drink after,, ( Probably a good thing, there) Anyway,, he was just wearing boxer shorts and a tee shirt, standing in the ditch, in pain, leaned over, farting so hard his shorts were flapping.. I went looking and I cant find it.. OHH Id like to see that again.. I laffed so hard tears ran down my leg..

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Re: A little plug work
Reply #53 - 10/07/14 at 13:43:09

verslagen1 wrote on 10/07/14 at 13:04:53:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/07/14 at 07:51:21:

What's the most pressure that they will see?

Ever eat a bean burrito?

They have a Bean and Cheese Burrito at the convenient store next door that is called 'The Bomb"......along with beans it has the "textured vegetable protein" in the ingredients. It seems like the wrong thing to eat on the nights I work late, and then go to a City Council Meeting! Shocked

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A little plug work Reply #54 - 10/07/14 at 16:00:37 That depends.. IF you want it to be a short meeting,, eat 2.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: A little plug work Reply #56 - 10/07/14 at 23:07:30 I'll be selling these as soon as I can find someone to make them. To much work on my little lathe.
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49mack YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 42	Re: A little plug work Reply #57 - 10/08/14 at 04:53:58 Hmmm . . . my '96 has about 22,000 miles and uses a 1/2 quart of oil every 2,000 miles. I don't think the previous owner was a maintenance freak. I wonder if that plug could be my source of oil loss. Where would I find info on a leakdown test?
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Re: A little plug work
Reply #58 - 10/08/14 at 05:06:34

49mack wrote on 10/08/14 at 04:53:58:

Hmmm . . . my '96 has about 22,000 miles and uses a 1/2 quart of oil every 2,000 miles. I don't think the previous owner was a maintenance freak. I wonder if that plug could be my source of oil loss. Where would I find info on a leakdown test?

If that plug is leaking...you know it as the oil drips down the right front side of the cylinder head and gets blown all over the engine.

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Re: A little plug work
Reply #59 - 10/08/14 at 08:47:13

49mack wrote on 10/08/14 at 04:53:58:

Hmmm . . . my '96 has about 22,000 miles and uses a 1/2 quart of oil every 2,000 miles. I don't think the previous owner was a maintenance freak. I wonder if that plug could be my source of oil loss. Where would I find info on a leakdown test?

What oil you running? How much of that 2,000 miles is 65 Mph or more?
And,if you haven't,it's time to look at the chain.

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