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Reply #30 - 12/20/13 at 14:47:32
 
Dane Allen wrote on 12/20/13 at 13:53:54:
I will go with the idea I mentioned before and that is to just thread the hole and put in a threaded plug and thread tape/anti-seize/whatever and let the cover keep it from backing out far enough to leak.

Not that a threaded plug is not a bad idea... not everyone has a 7/8" tap handy.  And at $20-30 a pop not something everyone will want to buy.  Plus the sanctimonious howls at defiling a stock item.
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Reply #31 - 12/20/13 at 17:44:56
 
Ok, not sure if this would work, but, if memory serves me correct, they have boiler plugs you can patch holes in boilers. They come in assorted sizes too. Boilers get hot, depending on the media and intent, so I think they could withstand the motors temp.....
I had one I used once when I had to drive 1000 miles to get home after I contracted some diarrhea at a greasy roadside dive.....
Once inserted, it held, and boy howdy was the built up back pressure sumtin  Shocked
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Reply #32 - 12/20/13 at 19:16:57
 
did you get a little monkey to pull out the plug for you?
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Re: A little plug work
Reply #33 - 12/25/13 at 10:43:24
 
Xmas for my savage...



2 high temp O-rings like I originally wanted.
But 1st seal under the head to provide tolerance take up.
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Reply #34 - 12/25/13 at 11:09:57
 
I like it!  I betcha that will outlast the engine! Smiley
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Reply #35 - 12/25/13 at 11:54:32
 

When you put the cover lid lid on the lid hits the top of the plug and you compress the top ring, right?   Simply can't move up and out of engagement on it or the smaller ID/OD ring either.

Thermally, it wouldn't care about expansion as aluminum expands with the temp change and the plug does the same thing at the exact same rate.

Neither can move more than the big "O" rings could accommodate easily.

Silicone "O" rings are the most heat aging resistant kind, and are more oil degradation resistant than Bunta N rings which are used elsewhere in the bike.  

Lots of other things in the engine would give up before this sort of plug system would .....

As far as trying them out, simply start supplying them and keep track over the years.

Time to first failure will likely be greater than a cam chain life, so you really aren't going to get a simple short test result in any case.

Your issues will be operator error (nicked rings, etc) and rough casting machining type edges and such like stuff.

Plus folks trying to use this trick with silicone sealant on top of it.
("O" rings only work when put in with a light grease film to ease their insertion, but otherwise it is a dry installation for an "O" ring seal).

Lack of a good Instruction Sheet is your main potential failure mode, in other words.

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Is this your excuse to buy that little CNC lathe you've been thinking about?
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Reply #36 - 12/25/13 at 12:30:04
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 12/25/13 at 11:54:32:
Is this your excuse to buy that little CNC lathe you've been thinking about?


I did get an HF mini lathe for this project.
Been wanting to do some small crap for some time.

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Reply #37 - 09/26/14 at 11:38:28
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/25/13 at 10:43:24:
Xmas for my savage...

http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Plug/NewHeadPlug.jpg

2 high temp O-rings like I originally wanted.
But 1st seal under the head to provide tolerance take up.



Ver,

What luck with this?

Are you selling these?  My head plug just started leaking..... :'(
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Reply #38 - 09/26/14 at 12:35:28
 
Digger wrote on 09/26/14 at 11:38:28:
Ver,

What luck with this?

Are you selling these?  My head plug just started leaking..... :'(

Well, it hasn't leaked (there) since I've put them in.

I'm thinking $15 including shipping.
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Reply #39 - 09/26/14 at 13:00:25
 
Ver,

I'm fixin' to bite, here....

How many miles on the plug since you installed it?
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Reply #40 - 09/26/14 at 14:01:19
 
Digger wrote on 09/26/14 at 13:00:25:
Ver,

I'm fixin' to bite, here....

How many miles on the plug since you installed it?


9k and 2 of those months are the hottest of the year.
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Reply #41 - 09/26/14 at 16:07:46
 
Having never even Looked at mine when I had the head cover off I couldnt say what the edges that the plug inserts into look like. If theyre chamfered then it ottsta be cake.. If not,, well,, Versy's "Been there, done that",, so,, whats the Obstacle Course look like in there Verslagen? That being oil passage stuff a guy problee shouldnt be creating filings that fall in,,
Thats a fine lookin slug O aluminum, Versy. How about a pic of that little lathe? Did ya open it up & study it for needing cleaned up castings or lubed better or anything? Ive heard about guys who did some "Fine Tuning" on theirs & got really good results with those HF things.
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Reply #42 - 09/26/14 at 18:51:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/26/14 at 16:07:46:
Having never even Looked at mine when I had the head cover off I couldnt say what the edges that the plug inserts into look like. If theyre chamfered then it ottsta be cake.. If not,, well,, Versy's "Been there, done that",, so,, whats the Obstacle Course look like in there Verslagen? That being oil passage stuff a guy problee shouldnt be creating filings that fall in,,
Thats a fine lookin slug O aluminum, Versy. How about a pic of that little lathe? Did ya open it up & study it for needing cleaned up castings or lubed better or anything? Ive heard about guys who did some "Fine Tuning" on theirs & got really good results with those HF things.


Jus,

I'm guessin' that the bottom o-ring does the sealing and the top one acts as sort of a damper to handle the up and down motion that the plug wants to make.

Ver,

Is the plug high profile enough such that the head cover contacts it (thus keeping said plug from popping out)?  If so, perhaps it'd be a good idea to apply a strip of ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene tape to the top of said plug.....

Just thinkin' out loud.
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Reply #43 - 09/26/14 at 19:06:41
 
Sounds like good stuff. Where is it available? Is it as expensive as it sounds like it would be?
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Reply #44 - 09/26/14 at 20:00:38
 
Digger wrote on 09/26/14 at 18:51:39:
Ver,

Is the plug high profile enough such that the head cover contacts it (thus keeping said plug from popping out)?  If so, perhaps it'd be a good idea to apply a strip of ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene tape to the top of said plug.....

Just thinkin' out loud.


The plug uses the cover to hold it down just like the stock plug, but with a little more compression to make the o-ring seal.  I thought about putting it on the top side, but then it's only function would be to prevent motion.  And I wanted an 2 o-ring seal.
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