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Reply #15 - 01/09/13 at 18:54:10
 
I miss my lathe...
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Reply #16 - 01/10/13 at 05:40:25
 
I think I could build that if I had a good drill press.,
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Reply #17 - 01/10/13 at 12:00:19
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/10/13 at 05:40:25:
I think I could build that if I had a good drill press.,


Can you chuck a 1" bar stock?
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Reply #18 - 01/10/13 at 14:42:15
 
Yep.I'd drill & tap & run a bolt in it, build a "tail stock" for the bottom end , fake up a "tool stand" & get some tool steel & shape it up to hold an O-ring, Yea, gimme a late 60's Craftsman 3/4 horse drill press with the T'Bolt plate & I could do that. FWIW, for practicality's sake, time required to build up the setup I could probably get a machinist to do it on his lunch break for $20.00 & a 12 pack,, & Id be ahead. But, in a pinch, I do believe I could make that happen.,.,
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Reply #19 - 01/10/13 at 18:39:28
 
I was thinking a feller could do the same thing with a wood lathe and a piece of Osage Orange(aka hedge orange or hedge apple). That stuff is like iron and lasts forever. Just ask anyone that's tried to cut the stuff. One cut with a chainsaw and the chain is already dull!
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Reply #20 - 12/16/13 at 10:50:42
 
Update to a long idle thread.

1st prototype using standard o-ring material initially sealed well and lasted about 10 months before it started leaking.

Since the original design wasn't made to my specifications I was limited to using only 1 o-ring.  And because that did work w/out issue till the o-ring let go, I'm revising the design to be a single o-ring.

I have hi-temp O-rings on order and will replace it with the new design over x-mas.

One concern I have, And I'm sure if it has any impact.  Having had several had several of these plugs in my hands and seeing the wear patterns they caused on the cover... when loose these things rattle.  As I'm replacing a rubber over steel plug with one of entirely aluminum... I'm afraid of precisely fitting the plug between the cover and head.  I'm thinking of undersizing the head and providing a spring or another o-ring to keep the plug seated and prevent extra wear on the critical o-ring.

Whatta you guys think?
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Reply #21 - 12/16/13 at 11:09:40
 
I would think that as the original plug get loose - the huffing of the engine pulses is what is causing the movement.  If you had a spring or rubber spacer that compresses the plug into place slightly by resting against the head cover.....the plug would not move.

Instead of a solid plug that uses an O-ring or two......what about a plug that has a top and bottom connected by a threaded screw, and it has a rubber seal in between. You install the plug, and then tighten the screw to compress the rubber seal into place?
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Reply #22 - 12/16/13 at 13:51:48
 
Probably could be done.
If you could tighten it from below with a flex drive, would solve a lot of issues.  But over tightening could cause failure.  Loosening from vibes or thermal cycling.  Having to apply locktite (heat sensitive).  Or simply the same issue of burnt rubber.
but, if tightened from above, would limit it to having to remove the cover to get access.  Why bother.

I'm hoping the new O-rings will solve the longevity issue, and in working out your idea, I think I solved mine.
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Reply #23 - 12/18/13 at 16:09:04
 
Yesss I have been having plug problems here lately this would be a great solution to my problem I hoping it goes into production soon.... Shocked
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Reply #24 - 12/19/13 at 07:16:36
 
I would think using just 1 O-ring would allow the plug to vibrate pivoting around that O-ring.  Might try a slightly longer plug with 2 or 3 O-rings to stabilize the vibrations as well as seal.  If I had to guess, that's why Suzuki's entire plug was covered in rubber.

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Reply #25 - 12/19/13 at 12:10:27
 
I'm going to put a second o-ring under the head of the plug.
It'll act as a seal and provide the tolerance take up that's needed.
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Reply #26 - 12/20/13 at 11:20:47
 
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Reply #27 - 12/20/13 at 11:30:11
 
Versy:

I saw that you are going to use a different O-ring that can handle the heat better....but just so others understand that not all store bought O-rings are equal.  Most store bought O-rings are Buna-N....and are only good up to 212 degrees and not able to tolerate cylinder head temperatures.

This store offers Viton, Teflon and Silicone O-rings that are good to 400 or 450 degrees.....about 100 more than the Savage cylinder head sees.

http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=367&zenid=c6df7e...
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Reply #28 - 12/20/13 at 11:49:07
 
How bout posting the specs on that plug so someone with a mill/lathe could fashion up a few?
The wife's started leaking last month, I've tightened the nuts fore and aft but it is still seeping, so plug change is in order.
I live near a few military bases and lots of gearheads in the shop I used to work in was an aircraft engine shop.
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Reply #29 - 12/20/13 at 13:53:54
 
I will go with the idea I mentioned before and that is to just thread the hole and put in a threaded plug and thread tape/anti-seize/whatever and let the cover keep it from backing out far enough to leak.
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